Flat call on river with "2nd nuts"??

[that_pope]

In a very tight Casino AZ 8/16 game, worst I have seen it in a long time, only one easy spot, the button in this hand.

I raise UTG+1 with two black nines, folded to button, who flashes a card while calling, I see an ace, and he calls, SB folds, and BB calls. BB is a new player, played less than 5 hands, and haven't played with him before.

Flop comes K94 rainbow. Check, I bet, button thinks and folds, BB calls.

Turn comes a 3, BB checks, I bet, he raises, I three bet, he comments and 4 bets, I call.

At this point, I figure he has a set, but it is more likely he has an underset (no preflop reraise) and the fact that there are 2 undersets and 1 overset.

River comes a 7, no flush on the board, and I am not putting him on 56 obviously. He bets, I raise, he threebets, I puke, cry, call, and OBV get shown KK.

Did I overplay my hand? Could I flat call on river with basically the 2nd nuts? Thanks....

[MitchL]

No and no.

[CardSharpCook]

This hand does not indicate any holes in your game. This is just a bad beat story. Go play some more and post interesting hands please.

[emerson]

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In a very tight Casino AZ 8/16 game, worst I have seen it in a long time, only one easy spot, the button in this hand.

I raise UTG+1 with two black nines, folded to button, who flashes a card while calling, I see an ace, and he calls, SB folds, and BB calls. BB is a new player, played less than 5 hands, and haven't played with him before.

Flop comes K94 rainbow. Check, I bet, button thinks and folds, BB calls.

Turn comes a 3, BB checks, I bet, he raises, I three bet, he comments and 4 bets, I call.

At this point, I figure he has a set, but it is more likely he has an underset (no preflop reraise) and the fact that there are 2 undersets and 1 overset.

River comes a 7, no flush on the board, and I am not putting him on 56 obviously. He bets, I raise, he threebets, I puke, cry, call, and OBV get shown KK.

Did I overplay my hand? Could I flat call on river with basically the 2nd nuts? Thanks....

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You played fine. Sometimes you just have bad luck and will lose heavily when you do everything right. KK is the only thing that beats you and the vast majority of players would have made it 3 bets preflop with KK, especially with the prospect of getting two callers preflop. How can you put him on that?

[benwood]

You didn't overplay your hand.A lot of us,including me,would have lost more with this hand,

[that_pope]

No no and no. I have posted numerous hands on here, and in no way am I posting this as a bad beat. My style and table image is one that I rarely get to 4 bets on the turn or river without the best hand.

When he made it 4 on the turn, a set was inevitable, and he still led the river.

I was not mad one bit about losing this hand, after it, I sat there wondering for the next round or so, while folding junk, if there was anyways I could play it differently, like flat calling the river...I thought that would be too weak, and give up a lot of value, since it is 2:1 that he has an underset, and his non 3-bet preflop makes it 3:1.

If you think this is a bad beat, then no reply is necessary, I am just looking for comments on a hand, and thanks to those who did.

[LoosenUp]

any decent player does not flat call this river, tough luck thats all.

As for CardSharpCook, he finds the need to be witty and force sarcastic humor in everyone of his posts.
He achieves neither

[drbk2]

A tight casino AZ game? looool, thatz a new one.

I 5 bet the turn and call a 6th, then call the river. Him cold calling KK here from the BB is beyond horrible and something that you shouldn't really expect to see often during your poker career.

[HOWMANY]

I would have at least 7bet here on the turn, you definitely did not lose too much here.

[CardSharpCook]

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any decent player does not flat call this river, tough luck thats all.

As for CardSharpCook, he finds the need to be witty and force sarcastic humor in everyone of his posts.
He achieves neither

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???

This hand is indicative of a young player who hasn't yet learned the difference btwn bad beat and bad play. This tpye of player will focus on big hands in which they lose a lot of money with a good hand. This typically isn't where unprofitable errors are made. Learning PF standards, when to value bet weak hands on the river, and how to extract the most profit in a multiway pot are all things which SHOULD be in a young player's mind. The posts and questions these players should be asking should concern these areas of play (and I'm sure other things I'm neglecting as well). "Did I put in too much action with the 2nd nuts" isn't indicative of a player who is thinking about the game in a profitable way. This is an obvious and easy hand. I GARUANTEE you that OP played a dozen hands more interesting and more indicative of holes in one's game than this hand could ever be.

While I frequently try to be witty, the post earlier in this thread is not an example of that. Also, sarcastic humor is a rather small part of my comedic repetoire. It seems likely that you are misunderstanding the tone of my posts. It ain't humor, it is impolite honesty designed to reassure this player that "no, you don't need to give this hand a second thought." and also to say, "dude, if you're looking to improve your game, you are currently going about it the wrong way."