Just want to make sure about this ruling...

[PantsOnFire]

You made an ambiguous move. The ruling is that verbal declarations stand. However, this can be overruled if there are circumstances that caused you to act in a certain way.

Basically, you have left yourself open to a subjective ruling. I don't think you have a leg to stand on no matter which way the ruling goes for you.

[KenProspero]

You said call, but threw out the wrong number of chips.

Congratulations, you've called -- but depending on the table, the casino and the dealer, they might let you get away with the raise if no one at the table squawked

[bav]

What does it mean to say "call" if you're facing no action? Can you legitimately call 0? I've always been taught my choices if facing no action are "check, bet, or bluff" (and it's damn funny each and every time a dealer says this). I'm not sure calling 0 is allowed, in which case you may as well have said "horsebiscuits" as to have said "call".

As for "verbal is binding", well... yes and no. If you've already made a wager, verbal ain't binding. It's what you do FIRST that wins. If you put out 8 chips, pulled your hand back, and said "call", it doesn't matter; you put the 8 chips out and that was the bet. If you said "call" and then put out 8 chips, your verbal wins, though we still gotta figure out what it means to call facing no action.

[RR]

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What does it mean to say "call" if you're facing no action? Can you legitimately call 0? I've always been taught my choices if facing no action are "check, bet, or bluff" (and it's damn funny each and every time a dealer says this). I'm not sure calling 0 is allowed, in which case you may as well have said "horsebiscuits" as to have said "call".

As for "verbal is binding", well... yes and no. If you've already made a wager, verbal ain't binding. It's what you do FIRST that wins. If you put out 8 chips, pulled your hand back, and said "call", it doesn't matter; you put the 8 chips out and that was the bet. If you said "call" and then put out 8 chips, your verbal wins, though we still gotta figure out what it means to call facing no action.

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When not facing action I normally translate "call" to mean "I am new to poker, want to put some chips out there and used the wrong word."

[bellatrix]

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You said call, but threw out the wrong number of chips.

Congratulations, you've called -- but depending on the table, the casino and the dealer, they might let you get away with the raise if no one at the table squawked

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Very cool. I thought it was more clear cut like "I didn't pay any attention it's my fault". Dealer did not let it stand (she was grumpy, sigh). I didn't know I had so much riding on my side, because perhaps I would've called the floor over. The other players on the table agreed with me with seat 9's weird betting motions antics.

So I just called, which in limit if you are facing no action is putting out the Small Bet. Both blinds called, which I found strange, because here was I either wanting to cold call a raise or wanting to raise, yet they still believed that I was trying to steal (then again, not entirely incorrect with JTs). Luckily I turned a jack, which was good enough.

[private joker]

Strategy hijack: You shouldn't be cold-calling a raise directly to the left of a PFR with JTs. 3-bet or fold, with fold being preferable. If there's a PFR and several cold-calls between you, then a cold-call is fine on the button or CO.