Why is raising UTG with suited connectors so standard at 6-max?

[Tao_Jones]

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My PFR is 16-17 and I fold suited connectors on UTG, UTG+1 about 80% of the time. Of course you have to raise with them occasionally so it's clear you aren't just raising with pairs, AJ+, etc., but with these hands, you are looking to flop a good draw and playing them out of position sucks. You are paying the maximum to draw to your (now somewhat transparent) straight or flush, and it will be difficult to extract money if you hit. Raising small pairs from UTG is completely different. They are very easy to play postflop and if you just flop a pair of twos with your 22 and someone calls your c-bet, your'e usually done.

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Suited connectors play almost exactly like small pp's OOP and are just as easy to chuck when met with resistance. I think the problem most have with playing these types of hands OOP is they take the same bull [censored] lines post-flop with almost all of their hands, regardless of board texture, opponent, or the value of their own hands...

They raise PF, touch the flop, and its fire-fire-fire. If they would start switching things up, taking different lines with different hands and different opponents, these small little beasts would eventualy come to play themselves.

[Morrek]

The thing is, suited connectors often flop some kind of draw/marginal hand and so you can sometimes really use that free card position often gives you. Pocket pairs either hit or they don't, and so they are very easy to play OOP

[AJFenix]

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Suited connectors play almost exactly like small pp's OOP and are just as easy to chuck when met with resistance.

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Tao, this is simply not correct. You really cannot compare SPP's and SC's UTG.

[cts]

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My PFR is 16-17 and I fold suited connectors on UTG, UTG+1 about 80% of the time. Of course you have to raise with them occasionally so it's clear you aren't just raising with pairs, AJ+, etc., but with these hands, you are looking to flop a good draw and playing them out of position sucks. You are paying the maximum to draw to your (now somewhat transparent) straight or flush, and it will be difficult to extract money if you hit. Raising small pairs from UTG is completely different. They are very easy to play postflop and if you just flop a pair of twos with your 22 and someone calls your c-bet, your'e usually done.

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Suited connectors play almost exactly like small pp's OOP and are just as easy to chuck when met with resistance. I think the problem most have with playing these types of hands OOP is they take the same bull [censored] lines post-flop with almost all of their hands, regardless of board texture, opponent, or the value of their own hands...

They raise PF, touch the flop, and its fire-fire-fire. If they would start switching things up, taking different lines with different hands and different opponents, these small little beasts would eventualy come to play themselves.

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This is completely wrong. Suited connectors do not play like pocket pairs out of posititon. With 22 or 33, you flop a set or you don't. With suited connectors you will often flop straight or flush draws and want to see the next cards cheaply. If your opponent has any clue what he is doing, he will not let you see these cards cheaply when he is in position.

[Jamougha]

Because of morons like this...

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $54.85
Hero: $422.85
CO: $87.40
Button: $203.90
SB: $232.15
BB: $260.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($15, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $15</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $80</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($175, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB is all-in $188.3</font>, Hero calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($551.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $551.6)


Results:
Final pot: $551.6
<font color="#ffffff">BB showed Kh Kd</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed 7d 6d</font>

Anyhow, UTG 5 handed is not UTG 6 handed, etc. Table conditions folks...

[yvesaint]

Jamougha,

wtf? teach me:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($400)
Button ($306.20)
SB ($1129.54)
BB ($531)
Hero ($400)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, MP calls $16, Button calls $16, SB (poster) calls $14, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($80) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $67</font>, MP folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: $147

regards,
yvesaint

[Jamougha]

Yves,

Move down to where they don't respect your raises. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Dan BRIGHT]

Ive grown to dislike AT and KJ except at tables where my opponents are dumb clalingstations with middlepair. These hands have reverse implied odds.