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Old 10-07-2007, 09:24 PM
Mjafish Mjafish is offline
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Default am I supposed to fold top two anywhere here?

villian is stormsrider, I have him at 17/14 over 290 hands, but I didn't know this at the time.

comments on my line?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $252.40
BTN: $76
SB: $200
Hero (BB): $201.45
UTG: $22.85

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $8</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $7, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($24) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $16</font>, Hero calls $16, CO folds

Turn: ($56) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $36</font>, Hero calls $36

River: ($128) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $140 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $140

Results: $408 Pot ($2 Rake)
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Old 10-07-2007, 09:27 PM
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Default Re: am I supposed to fold top two anywhere here?

No.
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Old 10-07-2007, 09:30 PM
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Default Re: am I supposed to fold top two anywhere here?

is villan good enough to value stack himself with like AK here?

i actually think you're beat alot here. i doubt he's shoving Tx/most other 1 pair hands. AK is a definite possibility if he's decent. most nitty players will only shove stuff like sets here though.

and i dont really think he's 3 barreling a tremendous amount given no history/reads between the two of you.

that said, i still probably call. i'm a huge station though.
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Old 10-07-2007, 09:33 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: am I supposed to fold top two anywhere here?

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is villan good enough to value stack himself with like AK here?

i actually think you're beat alot here. i doubt he's shoving Tx/most other 1 pair hands. AK is a definite possibility if he's decent. most nitty players will only shove stuff like sets here though.

and i dont really think he's 3 barreling a tremendous amount given no history/reads between the two of you.

that said, i still probably call. i'm a huge station though.

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There's just so few hands that beats us. Three set combos and one quad combo and that's it.
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Old 10-07-2007, 09:39 PM
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Default Re: am I supposed to fold top two anywhere here?

I think preflop and flop action pretty much rules out AK. Tricky played TT and AA are possible but unlikely given preflop. I also discounted those a bit because I have a T and an A

I don't think he is 3 barreling either... I was thinking that the only hand he could possibly have here that beats me is 44 (or 22, but no one ever has quads) and thus I called, since thats a pretty narrow range. I think I would have folded if the river was a 7 or something
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Old 10-07-2007, 09:40 PM
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Default Re: am I supposed to fold top two anywhere here?

This particular villain has 44 here every time.
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Old 10-07-2007, 09:42 PM
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Default Re: am I supposed to fold top two anywhere here?

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This particular villain has 44 here every time.

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Sometimes he has 22...
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Old 10-07-2007, 09:44 PM
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Default Re: am I supposed to fold top two anywhere here?

I think you're screwed here, I don't think hes got a big ace as hed 3 bet that PF I would think or wouldnt shove the river after you call here twice cuz your hand is pretty easy to read as two pair if hes any good. Your hoping for a chop here at best as I just cant see him 3 barrelling here the way the hand played.

still Its a really tough fold to make, and one im not good enough to make. I just call because "zomg, ive got top 2 I cant fold" and then when I lose think "why dont I ever use my brain!"
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Old 10-07-2007, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: am I supposed to fold top two anywhere here?

I misread the hand. I fold. Can't see wtf he might have that we beat.
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Old 10-07-2007, 09:49 PM
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Default Re: am I supposed to fold top two anywhere here?

I think we are beat here majority of times. TAG is not doing this with a lone T or PP btw JJ-KK, which is very unlikely given pre action. even if he somehow donked with a draw on flop, the only possible draw got there on turn. I think most of his range is quads or boat, with str8,AT/air making up a small portion of his range. I would def fold on river.
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