200NL 150BB Value on this river?

[aislephive]

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I shove. Villian almost always has JJ+.

Edit: FTR, I check QQ.

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Jeez, did anyone look at the hand? BvB deep, Villain has decent set value with any pair for starters, there are many other ways you could be beat.

There are exactly 5 pairs you beat, and 3 of them I seriously doubt get this far, and aren't paying you off anyway. So if you bet, 6 pairs beat you and are all calling, and you are ahead of 2 that may or may not call. And that's just the pairs.

Edit: 7 pairs that beat you, he's never folding AA if he plays it this way.

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If he is never folding AA then it's an easy shove with KK for many reasons of which should be obvious.

[Speedlimits]

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I shove. Villian almost always has JJ+.

Edit: FTR, I check QQ.

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Jeez, did anyone look at the hand? BvB deep, Villain has decent set value with any pair for starters, there are many other ways you could be beat.

There are exactly 5 pairs you beat, and 3 of them I seriously doubt get this far, and aren't paying you off anyway. So if you bet, 6 pairs beat you and are all calling, and you are ahead of 2 that may or may not call. And that's just the pairs.

Edit: 7 pairs that beat you, he's never folding AA if he plays it this way.

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Do you agree him checking the river reduces the probability of him having a set?

[tubasteve]

didnt read other posts but i definitely check here

[Speedlimits]

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didnt read other posts but i definitely check here

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do you call a push if villain open shoves this river?

[martijn]

bet like 100

and if villain would've open shoved I would have a pretty easy fold.

[NoahSD]

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didnt read other posts but i definitely check here

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do you call a push if villain open shoves this river?

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Definitely not.

When he checks the river to you, it's close, but it's a check.

[pineapple888]

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I shove. Villian almost always has JJ+.

Edit: FTR, I check QQ.

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Jeez, did anyone look at the hand? BvB deep, Villain has decent set value with any pair for starters, there are many other ways you could be beat.

There are exactly 5 pairs you beat, and 3 of them I seriously doubt get this far, and aren't paying you off anyway. So if you bet, 6 pairs beat you and are all calling, and you are ahead of 2 that may or may not call. And that's just the pairs.

Edit: 7 pairs that beat you, he's never folding AA if he plays it this way.

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Do you agree him checking the river reduces the probability of him having a set?

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No. He's let you take the lead twice, why stop now? I'm pretty aggro with sets, but would likely play one exactly the same way in this particular spot. Esp. with everyone saying "ZOMG INSTABET!!1!!1!!" [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[pineapple888]

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I shove. Villian almost always has JJ+.

Edit: FTR, I check QQ.

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Jeez, did anyone look at the hand? BvB deep, Villain has decent set value with any pair for starters, there are many other ways you could be beat.

There are exactly 5 pairs you beat, and 3 of them I seriously doubt get this far, and aren't paying you off anyway. So if you bet, 6 pairs beat you and are all calling, and you are ahead of 2 that may or may not call. And that's just the pairs.

Edit: 7 pairs that beat you, he's never folding AA if he plays it this way.

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If he is never folding AA then it's an easy shove with KK for many reasons of which should be obvious.

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So you are saying "If he is calling with AA every time, you should shove KK for many obvious reasons." Somehow I'm having trouble coming up with even one. Clearly you are thinking on a more sophisticated level. Perhaps you can enlighten me?

[Praxis101]

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If he is never folding AA then it's an easy shove with KK for many reasons of which should be obvious.

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This should be getting some [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

If you're 3-betting him light and playing aggro in general, this should really be a bet most of the time.

[Jonezycat]

I'd check call here with a set all day. Check river.