Typical spot and a quiz

[ValarMorghulis]

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given that i bet the flop, i call all

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I wouldn't bet Q9 here.

I wouldn't bet JJ or JT intending to fold.

[Umakemerich]

i wouldn't be this involved with junk hands to begin with. i'd call the all in with only JJ and fold with J10 or Q9.

[naSTIboost]

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given that i bet the flop, i call all

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I wouldn't bet Q9 here.

I wouldn't bet JJ or JT intending to fold.

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Sounds good. How about a c/r on that flop? Although a lead and a call isn't bad either. I really really think you are beat here w/ JT or Q9. This is the first time you 3-bet him and you don't have any reads. I just don't see a standard 2p2er getting creative on you the FIRST time you 3-bet. He's gotta give you credit for a decent hand and knows you aren't going to fold hand like top pair or JJ.

[luegofuego]

yeah betfolding any of these hands is stupid. i wouldnt mind checking behind with any of them tho

[Nick Royale]

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Can someone enlighten me as to why Qh9h has more equity than JTo with like any range I'm putting into Pokerstove?

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you have 5 outs instead of 3

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Only vs the Tx hands which I don't think are a really huge part of his range anyway.

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1. 5 outs instead of 3 vs Tx.
2. Bdfd.
3. It's not like JT is ahead of about any hands that Q9 isn't. JT is behind any Tx-combo villain has here and A9/K9 just doesn't seem likely.

Any reasons JT would have a higher equity?

[xorbie]

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yeah betfolding any of these hands is stupid. i wouldnt mind checking behind with any of them tho

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OOP

[jfish]

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given that i bet the flop, i call all

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[luegofuego]

[censored] sorry that changes a lot. i still dont like betfolding and i still dont mind checking tho.

[ikestoys]

being OOP doesn't mean you can't check and open up the villains range more

[Jamougha]

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being OOP doesn't mean you can't check and open up the villains range more

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Because most people tend to check-call a lot and check-fold very rarely, I actually think many tags have a wider range to shove over a c-bet than to bet if I check to them.