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Old 10-28-2007, 12:03 PM
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Default Re: River bet size deep

you guys do realize that 75/12 with wtsd 16% still means that he is getting to the showdown in about 12% of hands, whereas a WTSD of 25% with a VPIP of 20% means showing down in 5% of pots, right? Also, with a small sample, the small WTSD could just mean him whiffing a ton.

fish draw to flushes on paired boards against psbs. shove all day.
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Old 10-28-2007, 12:48 PM
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I don't think villain has a flush here. Who calls a flush draw on a paired board out of position for a full pot bet with these stacks? If he hits his flush, he won't try to bet the river? I mean if he has the 89dd then I might even expect him to throw out a little bet on the river, although not always.

Anyway his hand looks like a jack or maybe an overplayed TT+. I bet 3/4 pot, because you want value. I think if you shove JT can fold.
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:01 AM
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In the end I shoved and he folded QJo face up. I donked up this hand pretty bad.
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:44 AM
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Default Re: River bet size deep

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905$.
Seems smaller to the donks psychologically than 890 for example.

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ok i know CTS says this (so i do it), but i don't understand how it makes much sense... theres a reason prices are $x.99?
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Old 10-29-2007, 12:37 PM
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I was gonna say, his most likely hand is a jack and I wouldn't expect that to call an overbet. Agree with Jfish that FD isn't that likely, disagree about him CRing it tho. I like 800ish.
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Old 10-29-2007, 12:58 PM
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i think id bet 600-800 but i would have raised flop bigger (and no [censored] decimals either)

also his timing on your turn bet prolly gives away his hand...
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Old 10-29-2007, 06:57 PM
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He has a FD like 10% of the time max. His range is heavily weighted towards Jx and QQ-AA, since even fish will often fold a FD for $400 on the turn on a paired board, but they'll fold a hand like QQ or even TT (those are made hands!) even though those hands will have less equity against your range. So shove is bad imo, I'd bet like 800
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Old 10-29-2007, 06:59 PM
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In the end I shoved and he folded QJo face up. I donked up this hand pretty bad.

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God I wish online had the option to show 1 card
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Old 10-29-2007, 07:03 PM
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In the end I shoved and he folded QJo face up. I donked up this hand pretty bad.

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God I wish online had the option to show 1 card

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QFT.....would be soooo sick here, although that works better vs a total retard.

Ummmmm, as for the river, I'd like your shove if he was more stationy and had a higher WTSD. Given his very low WTSD, I like $6-800. I don't think he ever has a flush here really, so I can't imagine he likes his hand nearly enough to call much more than that here.
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