3/6 - turning great bluffcatcher into bluff?

[tozzy]

I talked about this hand with cbboy and we had different opinions:
Villain is unpossiblational, probably 2+2 and running 18/15 and pretty aggro (infinite, but thats due to the low number of hands ofc) over 300 hands by now.
I'm not 3betting this pf cause I only had some 80 hands at that time and I was not sure how his range for opening the CO looks like.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $620.00
Hero (BB): $627.00
UTG: $899.00
CO: $734.00
BTN: $120.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $22.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $16.00

Flop: ($47) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $35.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $120.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $287.00</font>, Hero calls $167.00

Turn: ($621) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $318.00</font>

Allright. Heres my thinking: I felt like I was behind on the flop and that is obv the matter for discussion. Sticking to my feeling i thought shoving blank turns showed way more FE than 4betshoving the flop.
Cbboy strongly disagress and says a 3bet here is almost always a bluff and that by turning my TPTK into a bluff i lost a lot of value.
Is c/c turn indeed superior? Is villain bluffing here a lot or do I fold out better hands on the turn from time to time?
Is a thinking tag never 3betting with QQ-AA here? Do you agree that pushing the turn shows more FE against named overpairs than just 4betpushing the flop?

[Jay Riall]

Whaaaa? You think he has QQ+ and will fold to your turn shove? wtf. I don't particularly like the flop check-raise. I definitely don't like calling the 3bet hoping to take it away with a half pot shove on the turn. Also, why does cbboy think this flop 3bet is always a bluff? Its a pretty wet board, he needs to protect his made hands and he has little reason to think you're bluffing.

[AAismyfriend]

Dont like it, if he folded it was because he 3 towned the flop with air.

[cbboy]

Jay,

This isn't that wet of a board. I just feel like he is bluffing here when he 3-bets the flop. Is he really going to be 3-betting QQ-AA here? AJ? I feel that if he has like KK here he would just call the flop and get it in on the turn.

I also don't like he flop c/r too much.

I think he may fold QQ to the turn shove here sometimes. I know I have said this before, but I don't like how you turned the TPTK into a bluff here.

[tozzy]

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Dont like it, if he folded it was because he 3 towned the flop with air.

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So you say c/c is superior to pushing here, right?

[Jay Riall]

Since when is 79J not considered wet? Just because it doesn't have a flush draw? This flop hit a million hands in both players range. I don't think it's atall unreasonable for villain to 3bet an overpair here if he's not planning on ever folding it.

[Unknown Soldier]

cbboy, if he isnt 3b QQ here, then what hands that beats you are ever going to fold the turn???

I hate this tozzy

[cbboy]

Jay,

I thought the flop was J95r not J97. My bad.

US,

I think what I was trying to say is that we make worse hands fold (KJ, QJ, etc) and only really get called by a better. QQ *MIGHT* fold sometimes on the turn.

I really don't like how you played this. I think a c/c on the turn is better than a push....

[bmxicle]

I was really [censored] pissed when you played the hand like that.

[DrMagic]

why cr that flop? this hand is gross btw