63o - hand vs Private Joker - Page 3

pohuist · #1 11-26-2007, 05:04 PM

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Private Joker raises. 4 callers. I call with 63o, because stox says to call with any 2 here, and because I am drinking a corona.

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Unless I am mistaken, stox recomends calling a raise out of BB for 1 more bet with 6 opponents. That is very different than calling 2 cold with 5. And he also says to continue only if you flop 2 pair or better. So, it must be a corona.

BadBigBabar · #2 11-26-2007, 05:14 PM

hm yea i didn't even notice pf; i fold this as well.

nineinchal · #3 11-26-2007, 05:21 PM

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Private Joker raises. 4 callers. I call with 63o, because stox says to call with any 2 here, and because I am drinking a corona.

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Unless I am mistaken, stox recomends calling a raise out of BB for 1 more bet with 6 opponents. That is very different than calling 2 cold with 5. And he also says to continue only if you flop 2 pair or better. So, it must be a corona.

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Yeah, but c'mon, its still a 6-3o. Even if you hit it, the five other players are drawing to a flush, with two cards to come. I even figured out the math here, it just ain't worth it, even against a donk like Joker.

stoxtrader · #4 11-26-2007, 05:45 PM

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Private Joker raises. 4 callers. I call with 63o, because stox says to call with any 2 here, and because I am drinking a corona.

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Unless I am mistaken, stox recomends calling a raise out of BB for 1 more bet with 6 opponents. That is very different than calling 2 cold with 5. And he also says to continue only if you flop 2 pair or better. So, it must be a corona.

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Yeah, but c'mon, its still a 6-3o. Even if you hit it, the five other players are drawing to a flush, with two cards to come. I even figured out the math here, it just ain't worth it, even against a donk like Joker.

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I'd be interested to see the long form of "figuring out the math"

private joker · #5 11-26-2007, 06:03 PM

Snowball didn't say this in the OP, but he was in the BB. So he didn't call 2 cold.

Nevertheless, 63o is a turbo-muck for me in this spot from the BB against a fairly TAGgish open raiser like joker. Also, I don't want Snowball defending his BB with hands like this because I can't put him on it and that might make my play tougher in later streets when trying to read his hand.

nineinchal · #6 11-26-2007, 06:07 PM

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Private Joker raises. 4 callers. I call with 63o, because stox says to call with any 2 here, and because I am drinking a corona.

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Unless I am mistaken, stox recomends calling a raise out of BB for 1 more bet with 6 opponents. That is very different than calling 2 cold with 5. And he also says to continue only if you flop 2 pair or better. So, it must be a corona.

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Yeah, but c'mon, its still a 6-3o. Even if you hit it, the five other players are drawing to a flush, with two cards to come. I even figured out the math here, it just ain't worth it, even against a donk like Joker.

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I'd be interested to see the long form of "figuring out the math"

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Actually Stox, my math and statistical skills atrophied since my college and grad school days of thirty years ago. However, in your brilliant work "Winning in Tough Holdem Games" (of which I purchased a copy the day it was available)you prepared an analysis, of defending with a 6-3o. I must review this once I return home to check the results for this hand under various limits to the best of my recollection.

Anyway, it still seems to me if you are up against Joker in this situation, you are getting your ass kicked in the end with your two pair of 6-3o.

Chris Daddy Cool · #7 11-26-2007, 08:00 PM

garland, 4-betting this turn barring any specific factors thats been going on is throwing money away.

also the range you give is ridiculous for joker to 3-bet this turn.

surfdoc · #8 11-26-2007, 08:05 PM

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garland, 4-betting this turn barring any specific factors thats been going on is throwing money away.

also the range you give is ridiculous for joker to 3-bet this turn.

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QFT. The only thing that we aren't told is if Joker thinks Snowball is on tilt but the multiway turn CR is so strong that I doubt it matters.

Sailboats · #9 11-26-2007, 10:42 PM

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garland, 4-betting this turn barring any specific factors thats been going on is throwing money away.

also the range you give is ridiculous for joker to 3-bet this turn.

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QFT. The only thing that we aren't told is if Joker thinks Snowball is on tilt but the multiway turn CR is so strong that I doubt it matters.

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This is very true. Only if he thinks you are on tilt would you considered putting in those extra bets, but you are probally way behind. PJ is semi-nitty and wont get out of line in a big pot.

Nate. · #10 11-26-2007, 11:05 PM

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garland, 4-betting this turn barring any specific factors thats been going on is throwing money away.

also the range you give is ridiculous for joker to 3-bet this turn.

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QFT. The only thing that we aren't told is if Joker thinks Snowball is on tilt but the multiway turn CR is so strong that I doubt it matters.

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This is very true. Only if he thinks you are on tilt would you considered putting in those extra bets, but you are probally way behind. PJ is semi-nitty and wont get out of line in a big pot.

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Joker's a nit, but he's not stupid. Not getting out of line in a big pot is something far different than setting money on fire by costing yourself big pots through passivity. I'm not saying this 3-bet shouldn't worry you, but the pot size and his opponents in this hand are reasons to think Joker is weaker, not stronger.

Joker--

No offense, of course. I think you play well.

--Nate