OT: High Stakes Fantasy Basketball -- Any Interest?

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roto/H2H: roto but don't really care either way. Obviously H2H is alot more luck but I don't really see luck being involved with gambling as a bad thing. One thing we could consider if we do H2H is paying out for first in the regular season, and then a separate payout for first and second in the playoffs.

TO's: no to's but don't mind to's

centers: 2 centers because there are already 8/10 possible spots for non-centers, no need to make it 9/10. 3 utility spots make position consideration almost meaningless.

bench spots: With 12 teams 3 bench spots work pretty well. Adding more bench spots makes the free agent wire really weak and it'll be tougher for teams with bad (or unlucky) drafts to improve through the free agent wire.

Guys, we're not gonna get consensus on every single point here. I think the league is setup to appease most of the requests right now.

1) Roto - most people felt strongly about this and even though I'm personally in favor of H2H, I'll oblige

2) Include TOs - the league seems split on this, so we'll go with the default of including TOs, which I agree with

3) 2 Centers - I agree that everyone should be able to find 2 decent centers... anyway, the league is split, so we'll go with the default

4) 3 Bench Spots - I'm keeping it at 3, because 12 teams and 3 bench spots is still pretty deep. Not to mention, the more bench spots, the less useful the waiver wire is

On a side note... T_mac has a conflict with the 4:45 draft time as he has to be somewhere at 5:45. If I made the draft at 2:45, would people be OK with that? Let me know if I can make the change...

Worst case scenario, if we lose T_Mac because of the draft time conflict, does anyone know of a replacement? I'm pretty sure there were others in the thread who didn't make it into the league in time. Omniheart comes to mind.

[FabledHero]

I completely disagree with having TO's. If Nash has the ball in his hands for 25 minutes of the game and turns the ball over 4 times that's roughly an average of 8 TO's per 48, and not to mention he runs the whole offense and dishes out a sick amount of assists. Nash is the most efficient ball handler/passer and he'd hurt your team the most in the TO area, just doesn't make sense to have that rule because it cannot in itself be positive or negative unless taken into consideration with other statistics which by itself it cannot. Therefore, it does a really [censored] job of judging whether a player is recklessly turning the ball over, in fact usually the most efficient players will lead their teams in TO's because they have the ball in their hands and have to do so much so often. all it does is punish them for being productive.

You can't just categorically disagree that it's part of a measure of a player's efficiency. I mean, they have the stat assist/TO ratio for a reason.

edit: And doesn't your argument also argue to simply have the league use 48 minute projections of every stat? The same way that Nash is penalized for getting so many touches, I think Jordan Farmar is penalized for not. It's part of the game, it's detrimental to winning, and it's correlated with touches. Not sure why this makes it a bad stat to include.

[FabledHero]

You must've misinterpreted my post then because I tried to say the statistic TO in itself cannot measure efficiency, needs to be taken into consideration with other stats, which by itself it obviously cannot be. And you sort of made my point for me, they have "assist/TO" ratio for a reason, that's not TO's in itself. When you measure how efficient players are you don't look at TO's you look at TO's in relation to their other statistical outputs.

There's a reason, Farmar isn't an impact player, that's why he doesn't get touches. Stats are a measuring device while definitely cannot take into consideration every aspect, you can't measure Bruce Bowen's impact statistically, we'll have to live with that fact and make the best of stats as we can.

My whole point is the stat TO has no meaning by itself it can't measure production or lack thereof. Don't know what you mean with your 48 minute projection thing, it was an example of it's inability to accurately measure someone's TOPG as either a positive or a negative statistic.

But we DON'T just consider TOs. We award points for assists and penalize for TOs. So when Nash gets 6TOs, it's offset by the fact that he dished 15 dimes.