How can I lose at 200nl?

wuarhg · #1 09-16-2006, 06:55 PM

Got in a marathon session today, 5k hands YEah but ...

PurpleLight · #2 09-16-2006, 06:56 PM

Welcome to variance which can do that to even the best players.

Could also be that you're playing badly. Hard to say, stats look okay.

wuarhg · #3 09-16-2006, 07:05 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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UTG ($176.57)
MP ($327.60)
Button ($228.23)
SB ($172.56)
Hero ($320.89)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero raises to $16, UTG calls $14.

Flop: ($37) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $30, UTG calls $30.

Turn: ($97) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $15, Hero calls $272.89 (All-In), UTG calls $113.57 (All-In).

River: ($498.46) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $498.46

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and jacks).
UTG has 8d 8h (full house, eights full of jacks).
Outcome: UTG wins $354.14. Hero wins $144.32. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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Button ($78.33)
SB ($249)
Hero ($238.81)
UTG ($60.83)
MP ($247)
CO ($47.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, MP raises to $7, 3 folds, Hero raises to $21, MP calls $16.

Flop: ($47) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $39, MP calls $39.

Turn: ($125) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero calls $176.81 (All-In), MP calls $176.81.

River: ($478.62) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $478.62

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Ac (one pair, aces).
MP has 5c 5h (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: MP wins $478.62. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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MP ($221.03)
Button ($357.57)
SB ($208.20)
Hero ($190.55)
UTG ($144.43)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, Button calls $2, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, UTG folds, MP calls $9, Button raises to $30, SB folds, Hero calls $21, MP folds.

Turn: ($79) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button calls $325.57 (All-In), Hero calls $158.55 (All-In).

River: ($563.12) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $563.12

Results in white below: 
Hero has 2s 2h (three of a kind, twos).
Button has 3c 3s (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: Button wins $563.12. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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Button ($129.65)
SB ($221.75)
BB ($331.67)
UTG ($177)
Hero ($263.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $6, 1 fold.

Flop: ($16) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $14, Hero raises to $50, SB calls $200.75 (All-In), Hero calls $164.75.

Turn: ($445.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($445.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $445.50

Results in white below: 
SB has Ks Kh (three of a kind, kings).
Hero has Ts Kc (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: SB wins $445.50. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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SB ($179.65)
BB ($200)
UTG ($426)
MP ($336.72)
CO ($215)
Hero ($197)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, CO raises to $8, Hero calls $8, 2 folds.

Flop: ($19) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets $13, Hero raises to $45, CO raises to $145, Hero calls $144 (All-In), CO calls $44.

Turn: ($397) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($397) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $397

Results in white below: 
CO has Ks 4d (two pair, kings and fours).
Hero has Th Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: CO wins $397. 

this guy was 14/9 so his range here is 100% pocketpairs and he prob peels one off and cant take heat on turn unless he has exactly JJ or a house.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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BB ($178.32)
UTG ($43.05)
MP ($329.64)
CO ($192.35)
Hero ($292.30)
SB ($250.99)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, MP raises to $10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $30, 2 folds, UTG folds, MP calls $20.

Flop: ($65) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $45, MP calls $45.

Turn: ($155) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero calls $217.30 (All-In), MP calls $217.30.

River: ($589.60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $589.60

Results in white below: 
MP has Jd Jc (four of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Kh As (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: MP wins $589.60. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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Hero ($212.20)
UTG ($53.10)
Button ($78.32)
SB ($370.19)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($6) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, UTG folds, SB raises to $19, Hero calls $13.

Turn: ($44) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $22, Hero calls $22.

River: ($88) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB calls $327.19 (All-In), Hero calls $169.20 (All-In).

Final Pot: $584.39

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9s 8s (flush, king high).
SB has 6s As (flush, ace high).
Outcome: SB wins $584.39. 

Had been reraising this guy 5000 times and play back at him alot and he was getting super sick but apparently he picked up KK at the right time.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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Button ($119.30)
SB ($412.70)
Hero ($228.89)
UTG ($200)
MP ($266.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, MP raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero calls $5.

Flop: ($15) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $14, MP raises to $35, Hero calls $21.

Turn: ($85) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $45, Hero calls $186.89 (All-In), MP calls $141.89.

River: ($458.78) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $458.78

Results in white below: 
Hero has Td Tc (full house, sixes full of tens).
MP has Kc Kd (full house, sixes full of kings).
Outcome: MP wins $458.78. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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MP ($243.53)
Button ($156.77)
SB ($135.72)
Hero ($212.90)
UTG ($49)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, Button raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $20, Button calls $16.

Flop: ($45) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $35, Button calls $35.

Turn: ($115) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero calls $155.90 (All-In), Button calls $99.77 (All-In).

River: ($370.67) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $370.67

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh Ah (high card, ace).
Button has 9d 9c (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Button wins $314.54. Hero wins $56.13. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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UTG ($251.85)
MP ($249.70)
CO ($112.55)
Hero ($246.90)
SB ($338.19)
BB ($47.99)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, CO raises to $4, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, BB calls $10, CO calls $8.

Flop: ($37) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB calls $35.99 (All-In), CO calls $35.99, Hero calls $234.90 (All-In), CO calls $64.56 (All-In).

Turn: ($408.44) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($408.44) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $408.44

Results in white below: 
BB has Jc Qd (one pair, jacks).
CO has 8c Th (one pair, eights).
Hero has Qs As (high card, ace).
Outcome: BB wins $144.97. Hero wins $134.35. CO wins $129.12. 

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MP ($352.15)
Hero ($205.20)
SB ($201.20)
BB ($58.37)
UTG ($235.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, MP raises to $7, Hero raises to $21, 2 folds, MP calls $14.

Flop: ($45) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $33.35, Hero raises to $99.5, MP calls $297.80 (All-In), Hero calls $84.70 (All-In).

Turn: ($560.35) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($560.35) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $560.35

Results in white below: 
MP has 3h Ac (two pair, aces and threes).
Hero has Kc Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP wins $560.35. 

No more, I'm too lazy and you guys don't care anyway but the spam helps me.

aflaba · #4 09-16-2006, 07:08 PM

I don't think there is that much variance in NL 200 and 400. NL is very different from fixed. It won't take long for you to get a hang of it if you keep it up though.

wuarhg · #5 09-16-2006, 07:11 PM

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I don't think there is that much variance in NL 200 and 400. NL is very different from fixed. It won't take long for you to get a hang of it if you keep it up though.

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Yup that's what i'm thinking because before this I was 5+ ptbb at 200nl over 35kish hands and 4ptbb at 400nl over 80-90k hands.

mntbikr15 · #6 09-16-2006, 07:35 PM

Seems like you are prob playing to many tables and playing badly because of it.

Medra · #7 09-16-2006, 07:40 PM

Maybe you run bad

Oxy · #8 09-16-2006, 10:49 PM

I only looked at the first 4 hands but it seems like you're playing losing poker.

tannenj · #9 09-16-2006, 10:54 PM

it happens, dude. some of these hands might've been played suboptimally, but whatever, things will turn around.

greed · #10 09-17-2006, 01:22 AM

I don't play NL $200 but I think you played several of these hands wrong. The one that really stood out is where you made the spade flush draw on the river and the villain pushes 4x pot and you call. The line you took makes it look like you have or at least could very likely have a flush draw yourself... why would villain push like that unless he beats you? Maybe you had a read or something... but that plays just seems bad to me. But sorry about the bad run, I know how it goes... it'll turn around if you've been a decent winner in the past I'm sure.

EDIT: Ah nevermind I didn't notice you only had 1/2 of his final bet. But still I'd think twice about it before instantly calling.