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Old 08-24-2007, 10:58 AM
Montezuma21 Montezuma21 is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 JTs TP/big draw deep.

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(call is ok right?).

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lol

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Villain leads out $75. Both fish fold. I?

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Say "What've you got? Aces? Or kings?". Then push all-in.


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they are 800 dollars deep.

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Exactly.

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lol?

ryan id start by calling the flop

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Not raising this flop is terrible. Assuming villain has a big pair or AK, the only hand that OP is in trouble against is TT, which seems a less likely holding than QQ+. If you don't exploit the fold equity a big raise would have (as OP said he didn't like villain was likely to get his stack in with AA or KK too readily), you'll probably be facing a pot sized turn bet which you won't have the odds to call (assuming you miss your outs).
If you do hit one of your outs, villain is likely to slow down against a 3flush or a ten anyway.

Shoving lets you see both the turn and river against a range you're flipping with, and has great fold equity.
A raise to $300 is fine, too.

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we're not arguing that pushing isn't +EV, we're just saying that calling might be +EV (and obv. considerably less variance.

2. actually you DO have the pot odds to call a PSB on a blank turn , even discounting implied odds.
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