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[locutus2002]

1st 10.9K
2nd 6.7K
3rd 4.6K
4th 3.0K
5th 2.4K
6th 2.0K


PokerStars Game #9595866683: Tournament #48311041, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (10000/20000) - 2007/04/25 - 02:15:41 (ET)
Table '48311041 43' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Locutus2002 (236726 in chips)
Seat 3: ziggy47 (323344 in chips)
Seat 4: kAmIkAdZeEe (226632 in chips)
Seat 5: Haydenmazer (388478 in chips)
Seat 6: malka18 (1443779 in chips)
Seat 9: MattSuspect (798041 in chips)
Locutus2002: posts the ante 1000
ziggy47: posts the ante 1000
kAmIkAdZeEe: posts the ante 1000
Haydenmazer: posts the ante 1000
malka18: posts the ante 1000
MattSuspect: posts the ante 1000
MattSuspect: posts small blind 10000
Locutus2002: posts big blind 20000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Locutus2002 [Ks Js]
ziggy47: folds
kAmIkAdZeEe: folds
Haydenmazer: folds
malka18: raises 80000 to 100000
MattSuspect: calls 90000

Reads:
MattSuspect had been playing pretty snug, but had played 2 or 3 hands in a row recently. He had been involved with the cl before and both players cked it down on a scary board. I had played several hands with Matt at an early table in which I played very weak, with 30+XBB. Matt made a lunch out of my blinds on several occassions back then. He probably views me as patient, and overly tight, however I hadn't shown down the worst hand in a pot I was involved in.

here was our last exchange (or lack thereof) the previous orbit:

MattSuspect: posts small blind 10000
Locutus2002: posts big blind 20000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Locutus2002 [5d 6s]
KAROyal: folds
ziggy47: folds
kAmIkAdZeEe: folds
Haydenmazer: folds
malka18: folds
MattSuspect: calls 10000
Locutus2002: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kh Ah 6h]
MattSuspect: checks
Locutus2002: checks
*** TURN *** [Kh Ah 6h] [Jh]
MattSuspect: checks
Locutus2002: checks
*** RIVER *** [Kh Ah 6h Jh] [Qc]
MattSuspect: checks
Locutus2002: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MattSuspect: shows [7c 8h] (a flush, Ace high)
Locutus2002: mucks hand

Malka was considerably looser and I was shocked to see him on the final table as he had Donked off most of his chips at the earlier table I was at. He had been playing fairly loose, but all his raises were 4XBB (even at the earlier table). I'm sure his range included hands down to quality Tens (T8s or so). He has shown a wiliingness to make pot odds calls from the BB against an UTG push with j9o.

So Malka raises 5XBB on the button, I'm ready to push, and Matt calls out of the SB. I'm sure I'm behind, there is a very good chance I'm dominated, but it will be a huge pot. Do you push or fold?

[shaundeeb]

I fold matt calling here is reallly narrow you can def find more +EV open shoves with your 10bb stack after sb hits you.

[themobfather]

no, you have no FE and will get called by both players. Creating FE with first-in vig. is very important with your stack, so find a better spot to do it.

[registrar]

Button is making an 'I'm not folding' kind of raise and SB is calling off 1/8 of his stack to play OOP with a pot and stack behind that, to me, indicates real strength. So this initially looks to be an unfavourable spot. There's no way you're folding both and you have to be behind SB, surely. OTOH, given all the money in the pot and the fact that button will find generally find it hard to push, this is probably +EV.

Nice hand to post. I'm sorry I have no clue.

I guess it comes down to SB's calling range here. I can't see much that I'd call with here, if anything. I'd shove the usual restealing hands with against the only bigger stack AQ+, 99+ and probably shove AA too because I'd think a call/minraise would look more suspicious and be no more profitable. So I'm lost.

What do you think SB's range is?

[registrar]

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no, you have no FE and will get called by both players.

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Button won't call all that light here, for half his stack, unless he's an idiot (read might be that he's an idiot). SB's cold call is super scarey.

[themobfather]

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no, you have no FE and will get called by both players.

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Button won't call all that light here, for half his stack, unless he's an idiot (read might be that he's an idiot). SB's cold call is super scarey.

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Think you misread stack sizes
Seat 6: malka18 (1,443,779 in chips)
Seat 9: MattSuspect (798,041 in chips)

I agree that SB coldcaller is scarier tho.

[shaundeeb]

locutus I would go as far to say I may even fold to his 5x I think thats a hand thats def not folding a shove but wants to let you know hes not folding. So it's def not JJ+ but it's often AJ 88 and other hands you rather not go against with 0 FE. So this is a fold imo without the redic scary SB coldcall from a good and up and coming lhe leftover.

[registrar]

No, sorry unclear, I mean if button's coming along, it's on the understanding that he's playing for half his stack, because of SB behind.

[themobfather]

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No, sorry unclear, I mean if button's coming along, it's on the understanding that he's playing for half his stack, because of SB behind.

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ah yes good point
assuming btn is a thinking player

[nath]

yeah i just fold this because the 5x open is so absurd, and Matt has a real hand here; or at least, he should (fwiw i'm reraising anything i decide to play in his spot, because i'm not playing much, and i'm happy to get the 5x donk to commit PF)