How will the games develop?

I think they eventualy will get easier again ...

[The 13th 4postle]

When the Internet law changes back and the fish can come back online. We'll see another boom. Remember the WSOP Main Event would have gotten bigger if all the people who won the satellite money online had actually gone and used it.

[MegaFossil]

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the good thing about poker is that many fish will need a long time to recognize they are losing or breakeven players. i have heard of a case where this took someone around 1.5 MILLION hands.

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Even after 1.5 million hands, he still won't admit he's not good at poker. So it must take like 3 million before they realize it.

[tannenj]

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iam suprised so many chose much tougher. You have to remember that the top level is always rotating in the sense that poker is small time. it is.. any person beating 1k/2k and any person making over 2mill a year at poker could most likely make more out in the business/investing world.


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This is a fallacy, DUCY?

Skills in poker are not directly convertible to successful entrepeneurship or investment. I'd love to see Huck Seed run a large corporation, or Mike Matusow invest in commercial property.

There does come a point of diminishing returns on your poker investment (work) if you amass enough wealth. Why grind out $1mil a year with a 15 mil roll, when you can easily use the same bankroll to invest in safer investments that return you more. Of course this thinking is unlikely to make you a top poker player in the first place.

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mike matusow and huck seed are not winning online cash game grinders.

[dibbs]

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any person beating 1k/2k and any person making over 2mill a year at poker could most likely make more out in the business/investing world.

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Completely different skill sets, poker smart is totally different from people/business smart, but yes some are blessed with both forms of intelligence. Bastards.

[Chomp]

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...the online games will significatly dry up. (however if the U.S. unbans and we're allowed to beat up on the "new euro/asian markets" this will prolong the drying up of online poker for a good 10 years imo)

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If the US unbans, I really don't see poker drying up anytime soon - and definitely not within 10 years --although we might be playing PLO or whatever instead of NLHE in 10 years. Tournaments will likely become more and more popular and they do a great job of frequently putting alot of money into very bad players' hands which is then redistributed amongst the poker economy, and there will likely be many more wealthy casual players once it is 'safe' and 'regulated', etc..

Just imagine what will happen after it is officially regulated and we get another MoneyMaker $50 into millions guy.

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My 2 big fears are....Korean/China super grinding machines...like the kids who play starcaft...mine WoW gold..they just dedicate/play such ungodly hours.

The next big fear is computer issues. What I mena by that is the combo of bots, trojans getting passwords and wiping out random people's roll (with greater frequencies) etc. etc.

Now I could be TOTALLY WRONG..and HORRIBLE projections. After all I've never studied the subject and only going off my gut, also I'm always been pesimistic. Part of the reason I put as much as I can into real estate and not into "moving up limits."

imo, online poker will never die, but will get to the point where $100 a hour is HARD to get...but $30 a hour isn't (if the most I could make per hour was $50 a hour, then the games would be DRY to me and I'd probably stop playing)

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Excellent post. Agree 100%.

The only difference between you and me is that $50 an hour to me sounds like heaven on earth. My hourly this month is $0.50/20,000 hands.

PM for (you) coaching (me).

[NapoleonDolemite]

I remember about 7 years ago when everyone on the internets was talking about how the games were sure to dry up soon. None of this nonsense is new. The game goes in cycles. People will always gamble and people will always be bad at it.

There will be cycles of booms and busts just like there are in everything. Opening up China to online poker would be a great thing IMO, especially as their people are becoming more prosperous. The laws will likely change in the future to benefit American based companies and "legalize" in the States. I would guess this was the plan all along. Make it "illegal", shut out Party and their huge market share and some of the others, enter MGM, Harrah's, etc. profit.

[Peeda]

Dunno about China but I'm sure there will be plenty of degen koreans. My brother was playing limit holden at Hustler casino or whever. He raised it pf, got 3 bet, then called with his hand to close the action. The old Korean guy next to him looks at him with disgust and says "If you korean you CAP IT UP".

So he was telling this story to a couple family friends (husband and wife) who are korean. The wife then proceeds to tell how her brother or whatever went into debt and needed to go to some gamblers anonymous type thing and the husband tells some crazy story about running up like 10K and then losing it all in the same night playing blackjack in his younger days.

Don't think we'll have to worry.

[homeboy604]

what about india?

[ExaMeter]

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I voted for easier. I think the chances of poker not seeing some sort of regulation/legalization within the next decade are very low. Official regulation would likely lead to softer than ever games. Of course who knows what sort of rake/tax we'll be paying for those games though.

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i totally agree and voted for easier too. gambling is just imprinted in humans genom and degens will play whatever is most appealing/ offers most fun. some go to fancy casinos and do roulette or slots or whatever but if poker is being regulated in the us (which will happen with >90% certainty) you will see a marketing explosion thatll make pre uigea look like a joke. poker will become the game of choice for gambling addicts once again since it offers the players the best possible time/ most fun (the ads will conote that)