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Old 11-26-2007, 11:40 AM
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Default Re: NL 100: AKo Squeeze

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doing this with a decent hand like AK isn't really a squeeze. 72off, it is a squeeze.
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If you aren't doing this with 87suited or something like at least 15% of the time then this play is absolute garbage.
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: NL 100: AKo Squeeze

I assume you are saying that if not, my range is too small otherwise eazy?

Last question. In these types of situations, does anyone not raise AI with their 4-bet to try and show more strength? Often, many people immediately put a push on AK, where a raise to $45 might look stronger? Effectively its the same thing b/c my money is always going in, just a perception thing?
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: NL 100: AKo Squeeze

nah, shove here is better with these stacks. With full stacks I think making it $40 and calling a shove is good. I'm pretty sure too eazy is saying that if you're only pushing KK+ and AK then your range is too small which is correct. AXs should also be part of your shoving range here.
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:13 PM
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Default Re: NL 100: AKo Squeeze

I'd definately prefer to shove Ax over 87s, but I see his point.
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:33 PM
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Default Re: NL 100: AKo Squeeze

This is completely dependent on villains' stats. Shove if loose, fold if tight. Why is this a standard shove? You are way behind the range of many nits.
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:37 PM
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Default Re: NL 100: AKo Squeeze

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This is completely dependent on villains' stats. Shove if loose, fold if tight. Why is this a standard shove? You are way behind the range of many nits.

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You're way ahead of the range of 2 unknowns. Nits doesn't even come into this equation. This is a standard shove. I really can't even understand an argument for any other action tbh, but I am known to spew a little.
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:53 PM
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Default Re: NL 100: AKo Squeeze

In my experience, a big COMMITTING 3bet in this spot is AAKKQQAK from the majority of players, AAKK from nits, and 22-AAAKAQAJKQKJ from a small minority of donktards. Occasionally, you will be crushing AQ, but more often than not, the villain's range is AAKKQQAK. Why shove then? You are either crushed, racing, or splitting. The key is that he made a 3bet that makes him absolutely committed to the pot; most players wont do this without AKQQ+. You need PT to answer the question.
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:00 PM
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Default Re: NL 100: AKo Squeeze

nh, standard.
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: NL 100: AKo Squeeze

sobos, I'm sorry but I don't see either a big or committing 3bet. He made about as standard of a 3bet as it gets. He's unknown so he's probably not a nit.
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: NL 100: AKo Squeeze

This may sound retarded to some, but in my experience, this is generally a standard/+EV shove on Stars and an illadvised/-EV shove on FullTilt. I'm inclined to fold FAR more often than shove. I can remember only a handful of times I have shoved AK, but I distinctly remember seeing AA/KK every time.
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