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Old 10-20-2007, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT

THE PLAYERS
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ABSOLUTE POKER
"Absolute Poker and the Absolute Poker website are solely owned and operated by Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, Route 138, Kahnawake, Quebec J0L 1B0. Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG is owned by a Mohawk of Kahnawake and is operated from the sovereign nation of the Mohawks of Kahnawake, located near Montreal Quebec." Established in 2003, AbsolutePoker.com is headquartered in Costa Rica and licensed and regulated in Canada.

Absolute Poker purchased Ultimate Bet in Oct, 2006. $10 million in cash and about $140 million in 5 future annual payments.

A company profile from ZOOM INFO shows a corporate address as:
P.O. Box 025292
Miami, FL 33102-5292
USA

KAHNAWAKE GAMING COMMISSION KCG WEBSITE
P.O. Box 1799
Old Malone Highway
Kahnawake Mohawk Territory, QC J0L 1B0
CANADA

Established June 10, 1996 and presently comprised of three members appointed by the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake: David Montour (Chairperson), Melanie Mayo, and Kevin Kennedy. The Commission is empowered to regulate and control gaming and gaming related activities conducted within and from the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake in accordance with the highest principles of honesty and integrity.

The KGC is currently investigating Absolute Poker.


The Fraternity - SAE - MONTANA Many of the founders/employees of Absoulte Poker can be linked to this Montana Fraternity.

SCOTT TOM
AP was started by Scott Tom and a few Ivy league friends back in 2003. Phil Tom and the other fathers of these kids bankrolled the venture, and Absolute Poker was born. Phil Tom is Scott Tom's FATHER, not his brother. The IP address that this 'other' account was logged in from was traced to the home cable modem of Scott Tom, CEO of Absolute poker. scott@rivieraltd.com is apparently the CEO, and is also the owner of account POTRIPPER. Scott Tom is also apparently the owner of the STEAMROLLER account.

If you guys remember, there were two people watching Potripper's table. One is #363; the other is assumed to be Potripper. That second account's email address is scott@rivieraltd.com. The IP address cross-references to someone named Scott Tom, who also appears to be an owner at AP. It should also be noted that the first part of the rivieraltd.com email is "scott@".

Scott Tom has been spamming poker forums as recently as June 2007 on behalf of Absolute Poker. Scott Tom has account at Ultimate Bet under the name of 'PotChopper'

From brsavage, a highly respected member of the poker community: "Scott Tom is not an ex employee of Absolute. He was at the sale from Excapsa to the AP ownership group, and we have him tied to AP in recent history and I have confirmed from parties within that he is in fact STILL in control of AP. He may be in seclusion in Panama, but his attorneys are acting at his behest in trying to maintain contol of AP."

Absolute's statement: "With respect to the claims that Scott Tom, a former Member of Team Absolute Poker, is in anyway involved in wrong-doing, Absolute Poker has requested a formal investigation into that matter as well. Mr. Tom has not been involved with Absolute Poker for over a year and to the best of our knowledge, information and belief has not had access to any of Absolute Pokerís systems, databases or information."

AJ GREEN
The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com and the former director of operations at Absolute. AJ Green was formerly known as Allan Grimard and had a name change once moving to Costa Rica. AJ Green is also POTSLAMMER, he of the 3 posts shilling for AP in his only thread. As we already know, The Watchdog, who comes in to defend him and co-shill for AP in that thread, is probably Scott Tom. AJ Green/Potripper on AP [almost certainly] = FATRAISER on Stars.

BRENT BECKLEY
Director of Payments and Risk Management at Absolute Poker.
alumnus from SAE frat in Montana from 1999. President of Sigma Alpha Epsilon's UM chapter. That player is Brent Beckley, another major player at AP. Brent Beckley worked for AP when a poster propped there. He was a part of support and security. Brent Beckley's last known city of residence is Miami, which is the location of one of the cheater accounts. He was a frat brother of Scott Tom in Montana. Brent plays as RUNNINONMT on UB. His email is brent@rivieraltd.com and Brent is from the montana group of people who run Absolute. Steamroller, a cheating account, is known to have played from Miami.
Absolute Poker's recent press releases come out of Miami.

OSCAR HILT
Oscar Hilt = another one of Scott Tom's frat brothers, and was also employed by Absolute, as the CFO maybe? Possibly the account OSCAR133

CFO Oscar Hilt Tatum IV, although it seems that he sometimes goes by a combination of just 2 of those names such as Hilt Tatum IV or Oscar Hilt. This post doesn't have any big juicy dramabomb to reveal, just some facts culled about him from various corners of the internet.

- He is the CFO of Absolute Poker according to this page ( http://www.onlinecasinosandplayers.c...num=1189786905 ) which describes a recent incident where a plane skidded off a runway in Costa Rica. Interestingly, that incident just happened about a month ago, and the website where the article is reprinted (although far from authoritative) refers to Oscar as the CFO and Tom Scott as the CEO of both Absolute and UB (despite AP's protestations that Scott is no longer involved with the company). You can read the original article from nacion.com here, although it's translated from Spanish to English, I think: http://tinyurl.com/36sdcj
Scott Tom and Oscar's new wife (above) were also on that plane with him.
- There have also been references to Scott Tom now living and/or operating/pulling strings out of Panama. Oscar may be there too, evidenced by this page which appears to be a list of individuals granted residency status by the government of Panama, and has a listing for two Americans named "Oscar Hilt Tatum IV" and "Oscar Hilt Tatum III" for April 9th, 2007. (Note that their records don't have any listing for Scott Tom, at least not since Sept 2005 when the database begins.)

Absolute's Statement:"HILT TATUM IS COMPLETLEY UNCONECTED WITH THIS CASE - HE HAS NEVER BEEN THE CFO - HIS WIFE AND FAMILY ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS INVESTIGATION - THE COMPANY IS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING - I URGE YOU TO CONTACT THE MODS AND HAVE ALL PICTURES REMOVED - PLEASE TRY AND HELP THIS BEYOND THE CALL - AND THEY ARE AS INNOCENT AS ANYONE. "

WILLIAM WILLIS MCMANON - Frat allum from 1995
The speculation is that William McManon might be the user of the account "MCBill." MCBILL won a $100,000 dream package on absolute after little tournament play on the website. There are active McBill accounts at Full Tilt and PokerStars.

SHANE ALAN BLACKFORD - 1997 SAE Montana Allum.
Shane is the administrative contact for Innovative Data Solutions - a Costa Rican Company somehow related to Absoulte Poker. Shane was also a member of the SAE fraternity.

For further information on IDS Technical Consulting and how we can work with you, please contact us.

IDS Technical Consulting
Oficentro de Sebana
San Jose, Costa Rica
Telephone - 011-506-520-0525
Email - info@idsworld.net

Innovative Data Solutions
SBO 306, 7333 NW 54th Street
Miami, Florida 33166
United States
6786312244

DAVID CLAINER Senior Vice President at Absolute Poker

FRED ROMAN Affiliate Relations Manager for Absolute Poker


MARK SEIF
Mark seif has huge endorsement deal dating back from when Scott Tom is CEO of AP. Mark Seif has been seen in public with Scott Tom many times.
SEIF's QUESTIONABLE SESSION


THE ACCOUNTS

Most of these account have recently won large buy-in tournaments on Absolute Poker. Many have similar questionable play. Most have played very few tornaments on Absolute before winning a large buy-in event.
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USER 363 - Unknown - observed Table of Potripper in 1K win
1. This guy "enters" table 13 at 2007-09-12 21:02:14, which is 2 minutes and 14 seconds after the tourney started.
2. Table 13 is the table which POTRIPPER was playing on
3. He never leaves the table, which means he was observing the table until at least 11:20 PM EST (at least, that's how I understand this)
4. His IP address is based in Costa Rica.
5. This is the most damning. He is user id 363 at AP. That means he was created in the system very very early on. Most of these user ids are in the 6 or 7 figures.

The guy who was on the same IP as the user 363 had his email set to an email that is hosted by Kahnawake Gaming Commission.

Absolute's statement:"The results of that investigation indicated that to the best of Absolute Pokerís knowledge, information and belief there was no security breach. Specifically, Absolute Pokerís internal investigation determined that it is impossible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards."

Absolute's 2nd Statement:"Absolute Poker has identified an internal security breach that compromised our systems for a limited period of time."

GREYCAT - Crushed High stakes limit games on Absolute. Chip dumped large amounts to SUPERCARDM55. GREYCAT won more that $100,000 in high stakes limit games on Absoulte. Might have never had a losing session.

DOUBLEDRAG -DOUBLEDRAG won huge amounts of money in high stakes no-limit games on Absoulte playing nearly every hand. DOUBLEDRAG chip dumped $200k and $300k to Romnaldo (or REYMNALDO) -THESE ARE 3 CONSECUTIVE HANDS where DOUBLEDRAG and ROMNALDO capped every street playing $200/$400 heads-up, only to have DOUBLEDRAG fold for one bet on the river. HERE
After cheating story became public DOUBLEDRAG dumped 27k on the tables.

STEAMROLLER
STEAMROLLER won the $150 buy-in on 8/19/2007 for $20,700. STEAMROLLER also won the $100 buy-in on 8/19/2007 for $1636. Absolute Poker admitted this account belongs to the Absolute Poker staff. Steamroller is linker to Scott Tom.

POTRIPPER - won $1K tournament on 9/12/2007 for $30,000. User #2234890 is POTRIPPER in the AP user database. POTRIPPER folded his first couple hands before the 363 observer entered the table... and that's when he started the suspicious activities. .xls file mistakenly sent out by Absoulte support.
YOU TUBE OF WIN

PAYUP - Won $1K on 8/23/2007 for $35,700. Sheets a well known internet pro commented: "but it was on august22, before the potripper tourney, where I got 2nd to one of the cheating accounts, Payup, in the 1k mtt.

I laughed about Payups invincibility throughout the course of the tourney with inissint while on the phone but didnt think anything of it really until 2+2 started looking into the potripper tourney which i THINK occured later. I sent adanthar my hh for the payup tourney and he essentilly confirmed that the same shenanigans were involved and the payup account was also closed by AP."

Unconfirmed accounts:

OSCAR133 - There was an "Oscar Hilt" at SAE in 1999.
2 tournaments, 1 9 entrants, 1 296, won both, total winnings 38k. OSCAR133 won the $500 buy-in on 10/6/2007 for $37,500.

MCBILL
There is speculation that this account is linked to another SAE Montana Fraternity brother - WILLIAM WILLIS MCMANON. On 10/7/2007 won $200 buy-in event for $100,000.

Montana resident and online poker player "MCBill" probably feels like he's struck gold this week after winning access to a possible over $100 million in online poker tournament prize pool money. Absolute Poker revealed that the online poker player hailing from Helena, Montana has won the 5th Absolute Dream Package on October 7th.
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:50 PM
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Default Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT

The bottom line is:

If leadership is involved, AP can never come forward and acknowledge the truth. An admission of guilt would certainly lead to the immediate end of their business.

To expect them to come forward with a totally truthful account of the events is a DREAM that's not going to come true. At this point I think they are just desperately trying to outlast /outsmart the community.

At the end of the day AP will no longer be in business. It may happen in a week or it may happen in a month but it's almost certain going to happen, imo...
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:51 PM
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Default Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT

We need a Wire type of message board with names and pictures of everyone all connected with their positions inside the company and who they report to, this is tough to keep track of.
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:51 PM
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Default Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT

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At the end of the day AP will no longer be in business. It may happen in a week or it may happen in a month but it's almost certain going to happen, imo...

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I hope!
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:51 PM
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Default Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT

Has anyone obtained the AP email that implicated the Steamroller account belonging to Scott Tom? I thought it would get into And/Nats/DDs hands pretty quickly, but that doesn't seemed to have happened?
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:51 PM
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Default Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT

One of the most complete articles on the Absolute Poker saga out there.

http://www.egamingtoday.com/Article/...ker/Fraud.html

Also includes a great hand by hand analysis:
http://www.egamingtoday.com/Article/...yAnalysis.html

Digg it if you like it, I think its a good comprehensive writeup for people who aren't on 2+2 nor P5s.
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT

sorry about the wrongful Mohawk info. I got too excited about.

But concerning the pics. and other leads, I don't think it hurts a bit to brainstorm on this stuff. Obviously some great connections have been found that way; conversely, if something doesn't "fit" it's usually shot down pretty quickly (ex.: my Mohawk- NYSE info.)

also: pretty cool that AP is pitching fits now, LOL.
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:53 PM
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Default Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT

pokerstud AA, a few errors:

1) Oscar Hilt is actually Oscar Hilt Tatum.

2) POTSLAMMER is a 2+2 account that spammed about AP on the 21st of August. It was Costa Rica based, and has an eerily similar name to POTRIPPER. It is thought that POTRIPPER and POTSLAMMER belong to AJ Green.

3) STEAMROLLER was seen dumping over 100k to SUPERCARDM55.
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:53 PM
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Default Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT

Like others, I find it amusing when a company that blatently lies to its defrauded customers and tries to hide their entire operation from view gets upset at people digging stuff up. Here's a hint, if your actions are resulting in your friends getting caught in the crossfire, maybe you should rethink your actions.

AP - why not post your org structure and changes to it dating back to inception along with all major company filings? Just the stuff that would be on record if you were a public company, nothing propreitary. Personally, I would just like to see of a list of every entity (person and company) that has equity in AP or receives any compensation directly proportional to corporate revenue or profits.

Or, you could just keep working on your next statement trying to release as little information/propaganda/lies as possible to disperse the angry mob. How's that been working for you so far?

KGC might think about something similar. I don't think the barriers to entry of the server farm are that high, and right now AP is tainting more than just their own image, rightly or wrongly.
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:53 PM
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Default Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT

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Has anyone obtained the AP email that implicated the Steamroller account belonging to Scott Tom? I thought it would get into And/Nats hands pretty quickly, but that doesn't seemed to have happened?

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supposedly it's on its way to me.
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