called my c/r, now what

[gregorio]

Villain is 62/13/2.5 and it seems like they have bet every time they've been checked to.

I almost always bet out here as PF raiser, but I know villain will bet if checked to, and prolly fold if I bet, so I want the extra value. vs someone who sees 60% of flops, I am obv way ahead of their range here, and when they bet, it barely narrows their range since they always bet here. So I figure, they are betting with air, and a c/r takes it down and gets some extra value. But then they call my c/r and I'm like WTF?

So, 2 questions:
a) Is c/r correct here, or should I just call if I am so sure I'm ahead and let them keep bluffing at it? Once they call, I reconsider having c/r'd, because now I'm stuck playing a big pot with < TPTK

b) once they call my c/r, what's my plan for the turn? I feel like if I bet now, I have turned my hand into a bluff, since what can they call c/r with that they're behind.

$0.10/$0.25; villain has $24 and I cover

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.75</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3.35, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, Button calls.

[ShipitFMA]

I don't like getting tricky on this flop, our hand isnt THAT strong. I always just lead this flop and slow down when aggression by the villian is shown.

Now we have a very bloated pot with what really is a very marginal hand in this spot. As played i really don't know what is the best play, i hate folding in these spots against complete gimps.

[eof]

you can probably check any non q/k flop. i think villian has a q with a worse kicker here a lot, also sometimes an ace and a gutshot. against this loose of an opponent you have to know you are ahead of his range, sometimes you lose but thats poker

I think you have played the hand well so far, its manipulating the opponent in the way you have that will make you a big winner in these games.. of course, sometimes he has a set or aq but against loose aggro players (especially if you think he is reraising AQ preflop) you're in a really good spot

[gregorio]

Good read. He had a horrible Q (Q5 or something). I checked turn since I had no idea what to do anymore, and he shoved. I was like, WTF, and called and stacked him. I hate the way I played the turn, but I liked the result.

[jba]

can someone explain why we should raise the flop?

[CasinoR7]

Check raising on the flop is good. A check raise here can either win the pot right now or build a nice pot with a strong hand. What do you think donk betting would have accomplished here? Your opponent would have folded a worse hand or played back at you with a better hand. That could only have led to winning a small pot or losing a big one. So I think that your aggression on the flop was solid play. I have noticed online that some loose aggressive players feel "pot commited" after a check raise.

Don't back off because you got called by a loose player. Depending on the board texture, your opponents hand range and the betting in previous rounds, TP2K can be strong and a made flush can be a weak hand. Don't think that on the scale of all possible pokerhands, top pair is weak. Read the board, three of a kind and two of kind are always possible, but in most situations you can't put your opponent on a hand that strong.

Consider the percentage of times your opponent will call you down with top pair/weak kicker or with medium pair and base your hand strength on that information. Against a loose opponent you should be happy to get the money in with this hand.

[PoorTom]

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Check raising on the flop is good. A check raise here can either win the pot right now or build a nice pot with a strong hand. What do you think donk betting would have accomplished here? Your opponent would have folded a worse hand or played back at you with a better hand. That could only have led to winning a small pot or losing a big one. So I think that your aggression on the flop was solid play.

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These arguments all apply whether you donk the flop or check-raise.. ie a donk bet will also either win the pot now or build a pot, and your opponents will fold worse hands and play back with better hands v both a check-raise and a donk. But donking has the advantage of protecting your hand and avoiding risking a free card, also of keeping the pot smaller OOP with a mediocre, vulnerable hand..

[Man of Means]

I like you plan to extract a flop bet at least.

Do this c/r if you think you're strong enough to play for stacks with this doofus, provided you've seen him call a c/r with a worse hand (or your read indicates as such). You could also check/call and put some money in on the turn.

[marchron]

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$0.10/$0.25; villain has $24 and I cover

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.75</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3.35, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, Button calls.

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If you were HU, I'd like it more, as long as you put in the rest of his stack on the turn — that would be just short of a pot-sized bet.

With others in, I like it less. You can't just worry about your personal ATM's hand then.