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Old 09-05-2007, 09:05 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm (30/60 razz)

Or wait, is hero playing on absolute and has a 7 with a2667?
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:06 PM
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5th, if it's a call, is *really really* close.

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what do you think seat 1 has in the hole?
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:15 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm (30/60 razz)

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5th, if it's a call, is *really really* close.

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what do you think seat 1 has in the hole?

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Could be anything, right? So I give him ** in the hole (any 2, paired or not) and I give your thinking player (8- 8-) which maybe is a little generous but actually doesn't change much.

http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/s...amp;h4=&h5=

Your equity on 5th is 20%. That's pretty close given the effective odds.

If I give BOTH players ** in the hole, your equity is only 25%.

BTW, Seat 1 can have total jack crap in the hole, and even be paired, and you're STILL only at 30%. Now, 30% is not bad for the size of the pot, but you have to believe that Seat 1 definitely has nothing *at all* and that isn't true often enough. Awful players get hands too.

http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/s...amp;h4=&h5=
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:40 PM
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5th, if it's a call, is *really really* close.

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what do you think seat 1 has in the hole?

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Could be anything, right?

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Ehh...he's terrible, but he's playing 30/60 razz. This means he probably knows something about 'poker', just not 'razz'.
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:06 PM
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I would have flat called 3rd with a 6 showing, and my cards not particularly live, but I am not saying that is the best play.

The call of 5th is probably OK with the pot so large.
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:09 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm (30/60 razz)

Every time I see a 30/60 Razz hand posted I get excited that maybe I will be able to find a good 30 game, as my experience is that any time a 30 game goes it is good. Much to my pleasure, I log on to Stars a bit ago and see a 4 handed game. I am now sitting out because these dirtbags are just folding every hand, not playing horribly at all.
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm (30/60 razz)

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5th, if it's a call, is *really really* close.

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what do you think seat 1 has in the hole?

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Could be anything, right?

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Ehh...he's terrible, but he's playing 30/60 razz. This means he probably knows something about 'poker', just not 'razz'.

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I guess I have no idea what you're getting at then. ** is about the best range you'll be up against, the more you tighten the range the worse it gets for you. If your opponents both have (8- 8-) in the hole then your 5th st equity is more like 15% (5:1) and it's a fold.

Unless you're fairly certain Seat one had something like (A2)9 in which case you're still in awful shape.
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:53 PM
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Unless you're fairly certain Seat one had something like (A2)9 in which case you're still in awful shape.

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if that's true, I'm really not, ducy?
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:59 PM
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Unless you're fairly certain Seat one had something like (A2)9 in which case you're still in awful shape.

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if that's true, I'm really not, ducy?

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No, gotta admit I don't see it. A2 is actually one of the best possibilities of any decent hand he could have because he has some of your pair cards. But I still see you as a 3:1 dog in this particular case. If he has exactly A2 you can call but I just don't see how you can put him on that for sure. Plus if he has something like (34)9 that doubly bad (now you're a 9:1 dog)

Anyway, I'm just a low level donk and at this point I'm just guessing.
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Old 09-05-2007, 11:43 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm (30/60 razz)

OP is reading the 9 for an ace in the hole. I think he needs to have it in order for the 5th st call to be correct. to make the call correct you have to know when to continue on 6th because there are scenarios where you might be dead on 6th but think you are not, which will prove to be very costly.
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