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Old 09-05-2007, 04:47 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Hmmmmmm (30/60 razz)

Seat 1 is awesome at razz and we are all here to learn from him.

Seat 6 is a thinking player but definitely overaggressive in every type of stud game.

Razz ($30/$60), Ante $5 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.00 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 5: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 8: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (9.33 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___raises
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls

5th Street - (9.17 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (12.17 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

River - (15.17 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets
Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___folds
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

Total pot: (17.17 BB)
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Old 09-05-2007, 04:55 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm (30/60 razz)

Man, I don't even know what to think. The more I learn about poker the less I understand, for real.
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:52 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm (30/60 razz)

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Man, I don't even know what to think. The more I learn about razz the more I want to kill defenseless animals.

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~yea I didn't realise this was the stud forum pls to be not flaming me.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:03 PM
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Seat 1 is awesome at razz and we are all here to learn from him.

Seat 6 is a thinking player but definitely overaggressive in every type of stud game.

Razz ($30/$60), Ante $5 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.00 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 5: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 8: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds



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Excuse me while I ask a simple-minded question. If Seat 1 is KTBA (Known-to-be-awesome) would it make sense, since he called a raise and reraise. to put him on 529 considering the board? I'm asking what makes an "awesome" player enter a hand with a 9 in the door?
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:11 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm (30/60 razz)

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Excuse me while I ask a simple-minded question. If Seat 1 is KTBA (Known-to-be-awesome) would it make sense, since he called a raise and reraise. to put him on 529 considering the board? I'm asking what makes an "awesome" player enter a hand with a 9 in the door?

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I assumed that was tongue in cheek, since he limped showing a 9 and then called when it came back 2 to him.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:11 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm (30/60 razz)

i never play razz but even against any 2 reasonably bad hands isn't 5th clearly a fold
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:27 PM
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I was going to say fold 4th when it's 2 more bets because we should expect seat 1 to cap. If we look at it in this way the pot is like 18 bets (9 to start+their 8 cap+1 we put in already). Even getting 6:1 here I thought we ran the risk of getting jammed on 5th. However now I am liking 4th. Actually I hate it, but I hate folding even more.

5th I hate too but getting 11:1 I think this may actually be the correct play. Too lazy to look at our equity but it probably isn't so awful against their range because their boards suck and our draw draw is good and surprisingly live.

7th is meh but I make worse calls constantly and somehow win the pot so whatever.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:46 PM
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Our draw is good on 5th? We need 2 cards... I think hero's equity is around 20% here and he's probably going to have to put in 3 bets into a pot that will either be 13 bets on the end (if other opponent folds) or 15-16 (if he doesn't). If hero folds without making a 9 then it's between 14:2 and 12:2 which is a lot closer but still not great.

4th is just kinda of tragic because calling 1 is OK here I think, nice pot, good live cards, but then he gets stuck and has to call another. I assume you'd have folded if it was 2 back to you instead of one at a time?
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Old 09-05-2007, 08:54 PM
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I assume you'd have folded if it was 2 back to you instead of one at a time?

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He had to call 2 bets the second time around.

FWIW I'm folding 4th when I have to call 2 more bets but when I can look at the hand after the fact I think it may actually be correct to continue on both 4th and 5th.
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:03 PM
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I assume you'd have folded if it was 2 back to you instead of one at a time?

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He had to call 2 bets the second time around.

FWIW I'm folding 4th when I have to call 2 more bets but when I can look at the hand after the fact I think it may actually be correct to continue on both 4th and 5th.

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Ah, so it is. I am not a fan of this converter when it comes to figuring out the action.

5th, if it's a call, is *really really* close.

7th, my immediate thought is fold but really it depends on the opponent. Most opponents are not going to bet a 9 into two people on the end unless they have a board lock, and hero could have a 7 or 8 on the end, villain must know hero is drawing. So to me it smacks either of improvement on villains part of a pure bluff. Still, J high is not a good bluff-catching hand because villain could be bluffing with T high the whole way. The pot is huge and your other opponent didn't call which is nice.
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