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Old 08-17-2007, 08:25 AM
2Paul2 2Paul2 is offline
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Default Re: A weird hand with a maniac

I think his range is pretty massive here so seems like an easy bet.

Pf I'd rather fold than limp rr but i'd prolly just raise and deal w/ a squeeze if it happened. I dont think these guys squeeze that much anyway. Most of their high pfr % tends to come form opening pots.

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Old 08-17-2007, 08:30 AM
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dear god what does a lrr accomplish vs that guy? did u honestly think he would fold?

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I dont he LRR to make him fold.

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I think he did. And that is kind of mindboggling. Once the drooler found a hand he called the first raise with, he is calling the second raise 80% of the time. Hate preflop.

Whats so bad about just calling preflop and playing a hand with good implied odds deep vs PoorUser and the drooler. PoorUser will play honest since the drooler is in there. Check folding a lot of flops is not a disaster if you can win a big one every once in a while.

If you flop top pair you can lead into PoorUser, he is unlikely to raise without having you beat since the drooler is in the pot.
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:34 AM
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LRR for value is sexy. Valuebet this flop.

LRR to make him fold a better hand is spewtastically retarded.
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:39 AM
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Default Re: A weird hand with a maniac

ur value playing vs 70/40s with WTSD of 40 doesnt come from extracting the maximum of ur 5% preflop equity edges. wtf?
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:44 AM
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You guys rly like bloating the pot oop deep v a maniac w/ A8. I think any small pre flop equity edge is countered by the headaches this guy will give you post.
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:47 AM
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preflop is terrible. postflop I'd just check it down because he's not folding better
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:49 AM
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playing this pre is a spew - just fold this junk utg.

as played I bet 440 and obv fold to resistance.
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:52 AM
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ur value playing vs 70/40s with WTSD of 40 doesnt come from extracting the maximum of ur 5% preflop equity edges. wtf?

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Old 08-17-2007, 09:33 AM
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Default Re: A weird hand with a maniac

He has basically a random hand. a)he does fold 30% of the time - maybe when he has to put 25bb in with cheese is one of those times? b)his range is mostly crap preflop and will be mostly crap on the flop. I bet 400 and he instamucked. I did LRR after all! Even this dude is not going to need two barrels to get off bottom pair, right?

Well, that's what I thought at the time, but a small part of me WAS afraid that he was either going to c/r or c/c with a slightly better (or maybe even c/r a worse) hand. You guys think this whole thing is retarded, though? Just limp/call and check/fold?
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Old 08-17-2007, 09:33 AM
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so your line is to limp/call UTG against a TAG preflop raiser and then to c/f the flop? how can that line possibly be good...

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In this case vs. this specific opponent, with another player still in.....yes. You're calling the raise in an attempt to get his stack, not win a small pot. Big deal if you miss the flop and have to fold. Deal with it I guess. Luego continues to make the point in your threads to stop trying to win every pot. Take that to heart.
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