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Old 07-17-2007, 09:13 AM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Bluffs: Which ones worked?

All villains are TAG regulars.

******* Hand 1 ********

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $909.40
TWP: $661
SB: $785.15
BB: $644

Pre-flop: (4 players) TWP is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">TWP raises to $24</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $84</font>, BB folds, TWP calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($174, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $130</font>, TWP calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($434, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">TWP bets $285</font>


******* Hand 2 ********

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $591
TWP: $852
Button: $441.05
SB: $813.45
BB: $715.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) TWP is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">TWP raises to $24</font>, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($54, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $18</font>, <font color="#cc0000">TWP raises to $105</font>, SB calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($264, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">TWP bets $198</font>


******* Hand 3 ********

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
6 players
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Stack sizes:
TWP: $600
UTG+1: $173.25
CO: $316.15
Button: $604
SB: $167.05
BB: $581.35

Pre-flop: (6 players) TWP is UTG with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">TWP raises to $24</font>, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($51, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $24</font>, <font color="#cc0000">TWP raises to $96</font>, BB calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($243, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">TWP bets $168</font>, BB calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($579, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">TWP is all-in $312</font>
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Old 07-17-2007, 09:25 AM
higHstaKesOwneR higHstaKesOwneR is offline
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Default Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?

1.)
On which handrange to you put villian on? (PP's taht hate to see the A here???)
The prob is, that many draws are out there an the Q shouldn't me a big scarecard here. But I'm not sure. :P
Another question... do you think every spade that turns or rivers is a good bluffout for us?


2.)
Again the question... on which range do yo put villian?
The turn is again not a really scarecard that will most of the time not helped you.
Do you try to get a fold from a QJs-type hand?


3.)
hm i am not sure about the river bluff... villian is getting such good odds to call and showed on a board w/o many draws that he is willing to play
also the river is again to scarecard.
I like Flop and Turn but at the river i would give up.


Nice post i hope to get some feedback.
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Old 07-17-2007, 09:38 AM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?

[ QUOTE ]
1.)
On which handrange to you put villian on? (PP's taht hate to see the A here???)
The prob is, that many draws are out there an the Q shouldn't me a big scarecard here. But I'm not sure. :P
Another question... do you think every spade that turns or rivers is a good bluffout for us?


[/ QUOTE ]
I think he would probably just fire again with a big hand, but he's a good reg so he can definitely mix it up. And the Q is a scare card for AK/KK so I actually thought it was a pretty good card for me, although I was probably firing on any turn card anyways.


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2.)
Again the question... on which range do yo put villian?
The turn is again not a really scarecard that will most of the time not helped you.
Do you try to get a fold from a QJs-type hand?


[/ QUOTE ]
I put him on a weak K or QJ, maybe a T. Once the T hit on the turn, I thought he might be more likely to fold a weak K, but again I was probably firing any turn card here.

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3.)
hm i am not sure about the river bluff... villian is getting such good odds to call and showed on a board w/o many draws that he is willing to play
also the river is again to scarecard.
I like Flop and Turn but at the river i would give up.


[/ QUOTE ]
Again, just trying to get him to fold a weak Q, pretty much.

[ QUOTE ]
Nice post i hope to get some feedback.

[/ QUOTE ]
Thanks. Me too.
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Old 07-17-2007, 09:44 AM
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Default Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?

From best to worst: 2 &gt; 1 &gt;&gt; 3.

I think 2 is likely to work 60%, 1 about 50% (so many hand crai'ing you i think), 3 like 15-20% perhaps.
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:07 AM
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Default Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?

1. About 70%. Against decent hand readers, tight guys, or wont make heroic calls guys there's a lot of value in delaying this bluff until the river though.

2. villain is a TAG reg? not sure what to make of this without more of a read. I still think it's more likely dumb-price-in or dumb-feeler-bet than abuse-TWP-aggression-by-donking-a-good-hand-into-him so the turn will work a lot.

3. Not sure, i'm never certain in these situations if i'm either going to look like an idiot when he snaps single pair or a genius when he folds thinking i can't be bluffing due to it only being half pot river bet.

2 &gt; 1 &gt; 3 for me too.
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?

First one looks the worst to me unless you have history with him where you've flatcalled reraises with Ax hands. If he folded here then he either had air or he played it bad.
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:12 AM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?

Well, I'm assuming he knows that I never fold anything ever so Ax hands are well well well within my range. You and I haven't played together much (at all?) but pretty much everyone else in these games knows that I never fold to reraises.
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?

2 looks good 1 isn't bad and i don't like 3
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:19 AM
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Default Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?

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Well, I'm assuming he knows that I never fold anything ever so Ax hands are well well well within my range. You and I haven't played together much (at all?) but pretty much everyone else in these games knows that I never fold to reraises.

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I think we played about 3 hands together at which point I left because the fish at that table had all left...
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:21 AM
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Default Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?

I like the 3rd one the best
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