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Old 06-22-2007, 03:53 PM
DLizzle DLizzle is offline
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i think a lot of them would take any reasonable amount then just play weird for an hour
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Old 06-22-2007, 04:00 PM
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I think pretty much any decent high stakes player would do this for 90K, because they are basically getting 10k for an hours work.

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If you're currently a winner in the game, wouldn't it only be to your disadvantage to show your opponents exactly how you play for an hour? Yes, you could play a non-standard game for an hour, but if it's suboptimal, it could easily cause you to blow through the 10K playing in that big a game for an hour...

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Brian Townsend made the comment on Pokerwire radio a couple of days ago that he made the CR videos because he was so skilled at adapting to various circumstances. I think any high stakes player should be able to do this at least somewhat.

So yes, it is obviously a disadvantage, but even if you play sub optimally for an hour, you would benefit from the deal. Hell, you could even fold your 120 hands for the entire hour for a loss of 30BB.
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Old 06-22-2007, 04:01 PM
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If six people play, and the "buy-in" is 90k, how will FTP make $60k from this?

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FTP would be LOSING 60K. But the idea is that it would be paying for advertising. I'm sure such a replay would attract HUGE numbers of people. And if you made it only FTP account holders could watch, or charge $5 to watch or whatever, i'm sure they'd make it back quickly.
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Old 06-22-2007, 04:02 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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I think pretty much any decent high stakes player would do this for 90K, because they are basically getting 10k for an hours work.

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If you're currently a winner in the game, wouldn't it only be to your disadvantage to show your opponents exactly how you play for an hour? Yes, you could play a non-standard game for an hour, but if it's suboptimal, it could easily cause you to blow through the 10K playing in that big a game for an hour...

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Brian Townsend made the comment on Pokerwire radio a couple of days ago that he made the CR videos because he was so skilled at adapting to various circumstances. I think any high stakes player should be able to do this at least somewhat.

So yes, it is obviously a disadvantage, but even if you play sub optimally for an hour, you would benefit from the deal. Hell, you could even fold your 120 hands for the entire hour for a loss of 30BB.

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30BB is 18K. So yeah, I guess 20K is really the limit on this type of thing since that would be $2K risk-free money. But whatever.
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Old 06-22-2007, 04:02 PM
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If six people play, and the "buy-in" is 90k, how will FTP make $60k from this?

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FTP would be LOSING 60K. But the idea is that it would be paying for advertising. I'm sure such a replay would attract HUGE numbers of people. And if you made it only FTP account holders could watch, or charge $5 to watch or whatever, i'm sure they'd make it back quickly.

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Yeah, I meant make $60k in additional revenue to cover up for the $10k they give each player. I'm just a bit sceptical, but then again I know nothing about marketing [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 06-22-2007, 04:03 PM
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Quick correction. I just realized that a loss of 30BB (18k) is enough to offset the gain (10k), but I still think you shouldn't be giving TOO much away in a one hour session.
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Old 06-22-2007, 04:16 PM
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i dont think it would be profitable for full tilt. also i think the price od doing this would vary from player to player as they would have to work out how much it would take for this to be profitable for them. ie. if they thought this would take 5k off the earnings P/H but were getting paid 10k P/H tey would do it, but i think full tilt would have to pay alot of $$$ for this to be profitable for players.
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Old 06-22-2007, 04:19 PM
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As stands, do you think FT loses much business to Stars because of their current policy of exposing mucked hands at showdown to non-playing observers (i.e. or for that matter allowing datamining)?

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I'm pretty sure this is wrong. I think only players in the game can see the mucked hands, that's the way it's always been for me I believe.

EDIT: Just tried it. As an observer, you can only see cards that were shown at showdown -- not mucked ones.
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Old 06-22-2007, 04:21 PM
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i dont think it would be profitable for full tilt. also i think the price od doing this would vary from player to player as they would have to work out how much it would take for this to be profitable for them. ie. if they thought this would take 5k off the earnings P/H but were getting paid 10k P/H tey would do it, but i think full tilt would have to pay alot of $$$ for this to be profitable for players.

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that's why i said, "what's the max buyin for which they could get 6 players?". they obv can't vary the price by player.
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Old 06-22-2007, 05:18 PM
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twp - they can't?
Don't some of the pros there already get compensated better than others? (I really don't know..am just guessing)

If Ivey says he'll join the game but he expects a little more coin for his time I would think FTP would consider giving it to him.
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