PCA hand, allin preflop with 76o at the 100/200 level

[deankeaton7]

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You sure he's 3-betting small PPs? Lots of players pretty much never 3-bet with more than 30 bbs with 22-99.

Pokerstove's not working for me either, so I'll try and do stuff by hand. I'm going to assume that he's not 3-betting 22-99 and otherwise assume your range is right.

So his raising range is A5+ (136 combos), TT+ (30), JT (16), QT+ (32), KT+ (48), 45s-9Ts (24), for a total of 286 hands. Let's just say he calls half the time with JJ/AK, so that makes his calling range 3 combos of JJ, 8 combos of AK and 18 combos of QQ+, for 29 combos total.

Your push costs you like 16k to win a pot of 4.1k. Since he's only calling you like 10% of the time, this is a profitable push even if you lose 100% of the time when called [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Did I do something stupid somewhere or is that right?

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I think SB's reraising range is somewhat loose for your average tourney player. I think its closer to 77+, AJo+, KQs, and some random trash hands but not too many to account for true squeezes. His calling range is probably accurate though.

Dont have pokerstove on this comp, but thats way less EV than before.

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I just made a post in BBV about the Pca and it reminded me of this thread so I figured I'd bump it.

First Funkii I will say shoving here is really bad. I think I talked to you about it one night there when I was drunk but my 3betting range there is probably something like TT+ AQ+ it's pretty tight.

Also I'm no expert on live reads but the fact that you didn't think very long told me you didn't have a huge hand. I didn't think you were capable of 4bet bluff shoving so I actually figured there was a very good chance you had AK. Either way I was fairly sure you did not have that strong a hand. Unfortunately I had AQs and since I figured AK was such a large part of your range I folded.

[ZJ123]

Shoving here is terrible, all live donks are not lagtard internet pros, this is so reckless. theres no need this early.

[Nate.]

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A few random things I'd add.
1. 4betting a smaller amount is much better it let's you fold and also and looks stronger
2. Your range for my squeezing range is way off.

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why would you EVER 4-bet and fold here??? major LOLLOLLOL if that mess somehow occurs.

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absolutely agree.

are we going to 4bet to 8k and fold for 12k more?

im pretty sure id die laughing if i saw that happen

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Random aside, from a Casino Arizona 5-150 spread-limit game:

LMP limps. Couple more limpers, BB makes it 40. LMP makes it 190. BB makes it 340. LMP makes it 490 with 40 behind. BB, who covers, folds.

--Nate

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I don't see the point in the initial raise with this blind size and no ante. I guess I am just a boring TAG, but I wouldn't raise complete junk unless I had a really good chance to steal the blinds. I would raise 76s here all the time. I would like to have a suited connector gapper or suited ace/king, a pp, or two cards 9 or higher or something to raise with.

Since I wouldn't play 76o to begin with, I wouldn't push with it. However, I see nothing wrong with pushing light CO vs. BB LAG vs. LAG. However, I wouldn't be raising with 76o, and I think this play works much better with 55, A3s, JTs, KJo, or something like that, and these are also reasonable CO raising hands. 76o is 25% versus a top 5% hand. The other hands I mentioned are aroungd 33% versus a top 5% hand.

Varkonyi 4-bet allin button vs. BB with QTs and Helmuth called with AKs. This was probably a good play given Helmuth's tendency to bully and fear of playing for all his chips.

I kind of don't see the point in raising so loosely to begin with at this stage of the tournament. Once you do that, defending your raises this way may be a good play. However, I think fighting so hard for blinds is kind of unnecessary at this point. It becomes very necessary later on.

I like the push better than a smaller raise, because you are in position. If you make it 8K, you set up a stop and go for villain, which you probably won't be able to call. Also, if you make it 8K, you probably have to call a preflop push, even with 76o.

[NHFunkii]

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I just made a post in BBV about the Pca and it reminded me of this thread so I figured I'd bump it.

First Funkii I will say shoving here is really bad. I think I talked to you about it one night there when I was drunk but my 3betting range there is probably something like TT+ AQ+ it's pretty tight.

Also I'm no expert on live reads but the fact that you didn't think very long told me you didn't have a huge hand. I didn't think you were capable of 4bet bluff shoving so I actually figured there was a very good chance you had AK. Either way I was fairly sure you did not have that strong a hand. Unfortunately I had AQs and since I figured AK was such a large part of your range I folded.

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yeah I'm pretty sure it was a bad read, but I also still think it might have been profitable. I'm pretty sure you fold AK there like, always, and you maaaaaybe call with JJ, but I didn't think you would at the time. I think the bad read is that I overestimated your 3-betting range. I pretty much thought you were borderline lag/maniac, and since I'd been opening a lot I figured any respectable lag/maniac would 3-bet there very wide.

[Eagles]

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I just made a post in BBV about the Pca and it reminded me of this thread so I figured I'd bump it.

First Funkii I will say shoving here is really bad. I think I talked to you about it one night there when I was drunk but my 3betting range there is probably something like TT+ AQ+ it's pretty tight.

Also I'm no expert on live reads but the fact that you didn't think very long told me you didn't have a huge hand. I didn't think you were capable of 4bet bluff shoving so I actually figured there was a very good chance you had AK. Either way I was fairly sure you did not have that strong a hand. Unfortunately I had AQs and since I figured AK was such a large part of your range I folded.

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yeah I'm pretty sure it was a bad read, but I also still think it might have been profitable. I'm pretty sure you fold AK there like, always, and you maaaaaybe call with JJ, but I didn't think you would at the time. I think the bad read is that I overestimated your 3-betting range. I pretty much thought you were borderline lag/maniac, and since I'd been opening a lot I figured any respectable lag/maniac would 3-bet there very wide.

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I can tell you that I am 99% sure I would have called with AK.

[NHFunkii]

all righty, bad read then!

[SossMan]

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all righty, bad read then!

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but he had AQ, so good read.

[NHFunkii]

indeed.