overpair facing aggro on flop

Noobler · #1 08-30-2007, 09:25 PM

Villain just sat down and has played one orbit so no reads. Is preflop ok? Am I ahead enough to call the flop push?

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UTG ($11.65)
MP ($15.70)
Hero ($18.80)
Button ($24.65)
SB ($15.20)
BB ($37.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $0.7, Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, MP raises to $4.75, Hero calls $2.75.

Flop: ($9.85) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $10.95 (All-In), Hero ???

Coaster · #2 08-30-2007, 09:29 PM

PF is fine. I'm calling his all in bet 100% of the time on that board.

whyzze · #3 08-30-2007, 09:48 PM

5bet all in.

Noobler · #4 08-31-2007, 12:38 AM

What is in his range that I would beat? The only thing I could see is AKs pushing his flush draw. Everything else I have to be behind right. What is a 4bet range of an unknown here? JJ+ AK+ or maybe just KK+? I am getting 2:1 on the call, but does he show up with a flush draw enough to justify the call? I can't imagine someone that just sat down is playing any low pairs or AJ this way.

Is pushing preflop +EV here? Seems to me at best I am a coinflip and more often then not I am probably behind. He 4bet so I imagine he is not going anywhere.

Sense1ess · #5 08-31-2007, 12:41 AM

I fold on the flop.

Harry Fong · #6 08-31-2007, 12:48 AM

To difficult with out a read. I would lay this one down. If when you do get a read and determine he is a donk than there will be other opportunities with better EV. If he happens to be a decent opponent than you can safely say he will be sitting on a better hand than yours more time than not.

Lego05 · #7 08-31-2007, 12:50 AM

Pre-flop 3bet needs to be bigger like 2.5. And I may get it all-in vs. this stack although if he had a full stack I prolly fold to the 4bet. His stack is pretty borderline on what I do.

Spanky1974 · #8 08-31-2007, 02:11 AM

I usually push PF here against $10 shorties. I don't mind flipping for stacks with them. Villain certainly isn't folding in a pot that is as big as his remaining stack. I think if you called the 4bet PF, then this is a pretty easy call.
What was your plan when you called the 4bet PF? The $15 stack size makes this hand pretty weird.

orange · #9 08-31-2007, 02:26 AM

Given stacks, call. I don't really like calling PF and folding this flop.