Dealing with abusive player from the floor/dealer perspective.

Dids · #1 02-26-2007, 02:32 PM

As detailed here some of us had a little run in with a pretty annoying player at a local casion (Parker's) this weekend.

Assuming the situation in the linked thread occurs, but the guy never actually swears, just keeps berating players. At what point do you feel like the floor is obligated to get involved and shut the guy down.

In this case, the floor was visably upset and chewed the guy out, but Parkers is far from the best run or most professional place ever.

When I tried to get the guy shut down, I thought I wasn't going to have much luck. This happens in a better run casino, what's the end game?

bernie · #2 02-26-2007, 05:52 PM

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This is good, because 1- kyle is a dick 2- kyle will always throw [censored] back at people.

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Given this, I guess if the TC was your bud, you wouldn't have had a problem with it? Seems funny how that works.

Not a fan of Kyle arguing with a player in the game from the rail. If you're on the rail, stfu. People on the rail shouldn't escalate the situation.

Not sure why Stabn is arguing strategy at a table(TT v AK). Who cares what the guy thinks of the play?

I can take hearing alot of crap if the guy is great action.

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At what point do you feel like the floor is obligated to get involved and shut the guy down.

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When the players in the game complain, OR if it's also disrupting another table close by.

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Rottersod · #3 02-26-2007, 06:09 PM

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Kyle and GoT DO NOT (that wouldn't be legal) have a bet about all paint flops (did you know an Ace isn't paint, I didn't!). There are 100+ flops w/o paint. GoT runs bad at life.

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14,000 plus posts and you didn't know that an Ace isn't paint? You couldn't even be 5th leveling that one.

bernie · #4 02-26-2007, 06:15 PM

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Kyle and GoT DO NOT (that wouldn't be legal) have a bet about all paint flops (did you know an Ace isn't paint, I didn't!). There are 100+ flops w/o paint. GoT runs bad at life.

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14,000 plus posts and you didn't know that an Ace isn't paint? You couldn't even be 5th leveling that one.

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lol. I missed that nugget. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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kyleb · #5 02-26-2007, 10:28 PM

I'm on the list and being bothered by his talk, so I made a comment that had nothing to do with the game at hand. What, just because the idiot's in a game I can't talk to him? Nice logic.

bav · #6 02-26-2007, 11:01 PM

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I'm on the list and being bothered by his talk, so I made a comment that had nothing to do with the game at hand. What, just because the idiot's in a game I can't talk to him? Nice logic.

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No floor anywhere is going to permit a person on the rail to annoy a player in the game. You are a spectator, not a participant. Spectators should be seen and not heard unless they have something seriously important to add (one example might be if you see the dealer screw up a side pot and no player at the table notices). Shut yer yap if you ain't at the table. I'm a bit boggled that you think you have the right to stand on the sidelines and heckle.

Rottersod · #7 02-26-2007, 11:31 PM

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No floor anywhere is going to permit a person on the rail to annoy a player in the game. You are a spectator, not a participant. Spectators should be seen and not heard unless they have something seriously important to add (one example might be if you see the dealer screw up a side pot and no player at the table notices). Shut yer yap if you ain't at the table. I'm a bit boggled that you think you have the right to stand on the sidelines and heckle.

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RR · #8 02-26-2007, 11:51 PM

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(one example might be if you see the dealer screw up a side pot and no player at the table notices).

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I would say this isn't important enough for the spectator to speak up just for the simple fact that if nobody at the table "notices" there is a good chance that the spectator didn't see it as good as the people actually seated at the table. I was once on the floor and ended up having to have security remove a well known player (WSOP bracelet winner) because he wanted me to "tell the guy on the rail to STFU." The thing is he is right that the guy on the rail shouldn't have been trying to correct a side pot (guy on the rail was wrong because he didn't see a stack of chips that was behind another stack), but the well known player just couldn't stop swearing at me when I explained we don't tell players to STFU, we ask them to not talk.

bav · #9 02-26-2007, 11:58 PM

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(one example might be if you see the dealer screw up a side pot and no player at the table notices).

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I would say this isn't important enough for the spectator to speak up just for the simple fact that if nobody at the table "notices" there is a good chance that the spectator didn't see it as good as the people actually seated at the table.

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Perhaps. I was saved once by a good samaritan on the rail in a Sahara tourney. River is dealt and we turn our two crappy no-pair cards over. I say "split". Dealer says "no--kicker plays." I look again and say "huh? split!" Dealer says "IT IS NOT! ACE KING QUEEN TEN EIGHT SEVEN, his seven plays!" I figure I'm just tired and not seeing straight and don't reargue and the dealer pushes the pot. Railbird then says "WOA! Dealer! You counted out 6 cards when you did that... ace king queen ten eight... that's five cards and the seven doesn't play... split pot." Thank you railbird.

But yeah, you need to be REALLY sure of what you speak if you're going to correct the dealer from the rail.

AngusThermopyle · #10 02-27-2007, 12:08 AM

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I would say this isn't important enough for the spectator to speak up just for the simple fact that if nobody at the table "notices" there is a good chance that the spectator didn't see it as good as the people actually seated at the table.

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By the same logic, if someone at the table thinks there is an error, but nobody else says anything, he should keep quiet because 10 others at the table can't possibly be wrong or silently wondering if the dealer really just messed up royally.

Sorry. If I am sure there is a mistake, I speak up, even from the rail.

Oh, "important enough". I like it when casino staff think a $20 side pot isn't "important". Just fail to tip them $1 once.