I dont know how to play mid pairs

[cbloom]

OOP when I'm not the PFR vs. a TAG. [censored], what do I do !?

No Limit Hold'em Ring Game (6 max) , 6 players
Blinds : $1/$2

Stacks:
UTG : $397.95
MP : $446.95
CO : $345.80
Button : $415.10
SB : $200
Hero : $266.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG limps, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $11</font>, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($34, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $25</font>, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($84, 2 players)
Hero ????


Better flop action?

I don't like reraising preflop cuz it basically turns my hand into a bluff, though maybe that's not so bad. Same thing for check-raising the flop. If I get called I'm in a sick spot on the turn where I don't know if I'm beat or up against a draw.

[sdfsdf]

lead flop lead turn

[Kilillan]

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I don't like reraising preflop cuz it basically turns my hand into a bluff

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Why do people say that with tens? Where do you get this from?
The button raised and you're in the BB, RERAISE THAT [censored].

[cbloom]

Mmm.. leading flop has to be wrong, I think.

Villain cbets almost 100% of the time so c-c flop gets him to put money in with a lot of hands he would just fold on the flop.

If I lead on the flop he'll raise sometimes with flush draws and hands like AKo and I have to fold to that, which is good for him.

If I lead on the flop he'll just fold things like 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] which are drawing nearly dead and would've cbet.

He will fold things like KQo which are drawing live, but he's incorrect to put money in with those so it's +EV to keep him in with those with a c-c.

So I don't see how leading the flop is good.

Leading the turn I can see definitely might be the best option there but it still kinda sucks.

[cbloom]

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The button raised and you're in the BB, RERAISE THAT [censored].

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Uh, okay, maybe. Why? What would you do on a flop like this? Why should I reraise with TT rather than 22?

[Kilillan]

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The button raised and you're in the BB, RERAISE THAT [censored].

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Uh, okay, maybe. Why? What would you do on a flop like this? Why should I reraise with TT rather than 22?

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because TT is most likely the best hand, it's for value, and there're lots of overcards for your ten.

It depends on how tight button is and UTG is. But I would almost never smooth call with tens in that spot.

I would also reraise 77+ ATs+ as a default

and I would lead the flop if I had reraised preflop, obviously

[cbloom]

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because TT is most likely the best hand, it's for value, and there're lots of overcards for your ten.

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and I would lead the flop if I had reraised preflop, obviously

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Well, I actually want to learn here because I see winning players reraise TT and use this thought process and I don't get it. Raising "for value" only really matters when you can get to showdown. If villain will fold any worse hand, then betting for "value" does not exist and you're just bluffing. I don't think you can show down TT unimproved OOP very often and win a reraised pot, though you will once in a while.

Say you reraise preflop, cbet the flop and villain calls. The turn is the offsuit K. Now what?

[Kilillan]

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because TT is most likely the best hand, it's for value, and there're lots of overcards for your ten.

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and I would lead the flop if I had reraised preflop, obviously

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Well, I actually want to learn here because I see winning players reraise TT and use this thought process and I don't get it. Raising "for value" only really matters when you can get to showdown. If villain will fold any worse hand, then betting for "value" does not exist and you're just bluffing. I don't think you can show down TT unimproved OOP very often and win a reraised pot, though you will once in a while.

Say you reraise preflop, cbet the flop and villain calls. The turn is the offsuit K. Now what?

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Basically, if people are only calling you with hands that're JJ+ then you're not reraising nearly enough. A lot of players don't 3-bet enough preflop, mostly with only QQ, KK, AA and AK, making their reraises very transparent.

I get routinely called by hands like QKs or any pair.

And if I get called on flop and turn comes a king, I may bet again or checkraise allin. It's very opponent dependent, like any situation in poker.

[Dan Bitel]

killian,

you rr TT preflop, flop comes 8 high, you cbet and get called, whats your plan if the turn is a complete blank?

you rr TT preflop, flop comes 8 high, you cbet and get raised, whats your plan?

(assume both villains are unknown and both flops have FD)

[Kilillan]

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killian,

you rr TT preflop, flop comes 8 high, you cbet and get called, whats your plan if the turn is a complete blank?

you rr TT preflop, flop comes 8 high, you cbet and get raised, whats your plan?

(assume both villains are unknown and both flops have FD)

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wtf?

That's like saying "how do you play poker"

What kind of questions are those?