Trips on the flop

Scarmiglio · #1 11-19-2007, 01:40 PM

Based on UTGs play, he was checking this flop every time with AK or AQ, and c-betting AJ, AA, KK, QQ, and JJ (of course). If it had been a rainbow flop I may have checked. As it was, I wanted money to go in on the flop and the pot was big enough to get callers even if UTG raised.

jesse - how can you hate Brady? The man is just doing his job (really well). I thought the Steelers/Pats game was going to be a good one, but after you guys lost to the JETS yesterday, I'm not so sure. You guys play well at home but on the road? - not so much.

gobbledygeek · #2 11-19-2007, 01:54 PM

* grunch *

I fold preflop but that's probably too tight. I also don't play this on the button for a single bet even with a zillion limpers. But I'd play QTo in both cases so I'm guessing this is close.

With an aggressive raiser on my left then I think I attempt a checkraise here for value. Pot is huge, a lot of hands would still be able to continue even facing two cold. I'd get a little sick if it checked thru though...

Turn I'd play the same.

River I lead. You said yourself that Villain is a nut job. In my mind the only question is whether to 3bet if he raises again. And if he's a real nut job, I probably do though that's probably master level spewy.

GtryingtotonedownthespewynessG

reutel · #3 11-19-2007, 02:12 PM

I love bet/threebetting. Villain is raising some hands on the flop that we beat, therefore hopefully knock out some 1 heart hands, backdoor straightdraws, gutshots. I think checkraising does not accomplish this.

I like the threebet on the turn. Once it is capped, you are often beat. You cannot fold on the river though since the pot is enormous.

Frond · #4 11-19-2007, 04:01 PM

Closing the action PF with this many limpers in, this hand is fine.

Thought about a this a bit and I play this one the same as you did. MP1 I think I might be mroe scared than the nut job dude. He looks to possibly on some sort of draw

KitCloudkicker · #5 11-19-2007, 04:04 PM

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Based on UTGs play, he was checking this flop every time with AK or AQ, and c-betting AJ, AA, KK, QQ, and JJ (of course). If it had been a rainbow flop I may have checked. As it was, I wanted money to go in on the flop and the pot was big enough to get callers even if UTG raised.

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im not sure the presence of the flush draw changes your strategy much here. but, given your read of UTG, I think your lead is correct.

jesse8888 · #6 11-19-2007, 04:10 PM

The consideration of a c-bet from UTG is an important one, but I think just betting out and hoping to 3-bet is fine. This checking through would be an unmitigated disaster (to quote SI).

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jesse - how can you hate Brady? The man is just doing his job (really well).

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I see the confusion. You assume I hate the man because of his performance this season, when in fact I hate the man because of his luck-boxing in the snow, winning of two AFC title games against steelers teams that went 15-1 and 13-3 respectively, and in general because going to college in Boston meant I had to deal with enough Patriots fans for the rest of my life [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] That and, well, Belecheck is a cheater [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Scarmiglio · #7 11-19-2007, 04:34 PM

I'll hijack my own thread here -

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I see the confusion. You assume I hate the man because of his performance this season, when in fact I hate the man because of his luck-boxing in the snow, winning of two AFC title games against steelers teams that went 15-1 and 13-3 respectively, and in general because going to college in Boston meant I had to deal with enough Patriots fans for the rest of my life [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] That and, well, Belecheck is a cheater [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I know that pats fans can be tough to deal with, but Steelers fans are at least as bad if not worse - not to mention that most pats fans are located in New England whereas Steelers fans are EVERYWHERE![img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] The tuck rule game was whatever, but every team has 'interesting' calls go their way sometimes - the SB you won over Seattle had some great examples of that. Brady's been good far more than he's been lucky. The Belichick cheating thing was so blown out of proportion. It is fun to watch the pats blow out team after team as a result though (colts excepted). Plus it looks like we're going to get the 3rd pick in the draft anyway with a little help from the niners. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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