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Old 07-29-2007, 08:09 PM
Havok Havok is offline
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Default NL 25 flopped bottom two/tough river decision

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $21.60
BB: $26.30
Hero (UTG): $76.75
MP: $24.20
CO: $26.70
BTN: $22.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
Hero calls $0.25, MP folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.10</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($2.55) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2.55</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $5.10</font>, Hero calls $2.55

River: ($12.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets all-in for $20.50</font>, [i]Hero?

CO really hasn't gotten out of line. He's been typical loose passive. This is the most aggressive I've seen him. Does anyone think he's bluffing? I hate flopping bottom two with such a coordinated board!!!!!
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 flopped bottom two/tough river decision

If he is as you described ( as fishy as they come) then you should fold here. If a typically passive player who folds to pressure often is getting overly aggressive in pots he almost certainly has a hand. AQ?
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:15 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 flopped bottom two/tough river decision

limp/call oop with JTo and then check 2pair on flop probably isn't the way to go.
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:16 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 flopped bottom two/tough river decision

He has been continuation betting alot after raising PF. The check on the flop got me worrying about a big hand. Usually I would be the flop with this hand. Wish the river was a Jack or a ten.
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:16 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 flopped bottom two/tough river decision

He most certainly has AQ or KK. He raised preflop and then does not make a c-bet at the flop. Seems kinds fishy here...
I would have Bet the flop and check/call the turn. Def a good fold on the river.
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:16 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 flopped bottom two/tough river decision

raise or fold pf, open limping UTG w. JTo hurts my eyes. limp/calling JTo = crappy.

flop c/r is ifne. turn lead is okay. you can call his miniraise or just shove over it.

anyhoo, i dont really like calling the turn with the intention of folding the river. i suppose he IS playign like AQ/KK and the like and i doubt he plays AK like this. i think that folding is probably best but not really one i usually do at the table. but folding is probably disciplined.
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:34 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 flopped bottom two/tough river decision

aggreed. Ahh the problems of calling OOP with a hand like Jack Ten. My reasoning is I've been outplaying pretty much the whole table after the flop. I think if CO bets the flop, I was going to check raise. When he checked is when I started to worry. The bet on the turn was just to see what villian would do. If I was in postion and he checked the turn, I would have checked. As for the river. Well, I think I was only going to push if a jack or ten showed up. And throw up is he turned over a set of kings.
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:37 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 flopped bottom two/tough river decision

I did fold. I really felt like he had Ace Queen here or a bluff. I mean why not value bet the river. I typed in the chat how I was only calling a small river bet against Ace queen. He didn't repsond.
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:45 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 flopped bottom two/tough river decision

Fold preflop. JTo is awful out of position.
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:52 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 flopped bottom two/tough river decision

lol. This is the worst advice yet. I had my reasons for calling.....But, yes most of the time I should fold OOP. Tell me something I don't know, or no one else has said already in the post.
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