Good spot to steal? PL08

[luckbalks]

5 players in the hand. 1 player to act behind me. Checked around flop and turn.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
8 players
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Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($5, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($5, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $4</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, MP2 folds, CO calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($21, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero ??

[BlueBear]

Stacks? Yeah I think you can profitably try to steal here if the effective stacks are not too shallow.

[Assani Fisher]

Not a huge fan of having 3 opponents that you have to force out, but otherwise it seems like a standard bluff opportunity.

[niss]

I would raise the turn. This achieves 3 things: (1) if you hit on the river you have a potential big pot. (2) if you hit a low non-heart on river and fear being quartered, it probably will be checked to you and you can check if you choose. (3) may increase your ability to steal on a blank river, as you have represented that you have some kind of hand on the turn.

[davebreal]

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Good spot to steal? PL08

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completely depends on your own table image.

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[Phil153]

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Good spot to steal? PL08

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completely depends on your own table image.

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No, it really doesn't. Even the laggiest player can pick up pots by bluffing the right spots. In fact, it's where much of their money comes from...

Besides, what OP is asking is the merits of bluffing in this particular spot. I think he can do better than break even by betting half pot on the river and I don't think being laggy changes things that much.

Apart from that, I'm not thrilled with a turn raise into an EP bettor. He's usually got something and is trying to get value at this point. I think you'll get reraised a decent percentage of the time and called down on most rivers that don't make things scary.

In this case, the straight making it provides a great opportunity for a 1/2 pot or so.

[davebreal]

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No, it really doesn't. Even the laggiest player can pick up pots by bluffing the right spots. In fact, it's where much of their money comes from...

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o rly? i'm brand new to the world of bluffing.

POKERSTARS GAME #11527672052: OMAHA HI/LO POT LIMIT ($5/$10) -
2007/08/16 - 21:58:51 (ET)
Table 'Padua II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: fat_nutz ($385 in chips)
Seat 2: crackus ($727 in chips)
Seat 3: NOXQZEZ ($1083 in chips)
Seat 4: Trickybstrd ($2415.15 in chips)
Seat 5: plo8 ($3578 in chips)
Seat 6: Ulisse1 ($157.10 in chips)
Seat 7: BuklaH ($1026.20 in chips)
Seat 8: Cam28 ($1548.40 in chips)
Seat 9: davebreal ($991 in chips)
crackus: posts small blind $5
NOXQZEZ: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to davebreal [5d Jh Jc Ks]
Trickybstrd: folds
plo8: folds
Ulisse1: folds
Trickybstrd leaves the table
BuklaH: folds
Cam28: folds
davebreal: raises $20 to $30
fat_nutz: calls $30
crackus: folds
NOXQZEZ: calls $20
*** FLOP *** [Kd Ah Qh]
NOXQZEZ: checks
davebreal: checks
fat_nutz: checks
*** TURN *** [Kd Ah Qh] [2s]
NOXQZEZ: bets $40
davebreal: calls $40
fat_nutz: folds
*** RIVER *** [Kd Ah Qh 2s] [9s]
NOXQZEZ: bets $70
davebreal: raises $312 to $382
bigbadwoolf joins the table at seat #4
NOXQZEZ: folds
davebreal collected $312 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $315 | Rake $3
Board [Kd Ah Qh 2s 9s]
Seat 1: fat_nutz (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: crackus (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: NOXQZEZ (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 4: Trickybstrd folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: plo8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Ulisse1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: BuklaH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Cam28 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: davebreal collected ($312)


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I think he can do better than break even by betting half pot on the river and I don't think being laggy changes things that much.

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if you don't think modern day PLO8 players are actively seeking spots to call-down light regularly then I think you are way off-base here.

that's not to say that I think taking a stab at the river is an awful play... even if OP does get picked off the play does have some advertising value for future plays.

[Phil153]

Don't make me post the several hands from last week where I bluffed you out of rivers with a half pot.

BTW, I haven't seen much much evidence of calling down light. Maybe you play smaller river pots than I do. Or are you talking about $5/$10? I rarely play above $2/$4

[davebreal]

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Don't make me post the several hands from last week where I bluffed you out of rivers with a half pot.

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what s/n are you lurking under nowadays. i had no idea you were playing anywhere besides PP.