LO8 river bluff CR

Borys313 · #1 11-17-2007, 12:33 AM

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Betting the river is way better. C/r here is pretty much terrible. Cost twice as much and probably works less than a bet, imo.

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Just my thought, if he has anything he isnt folding to a checkraise. And if he had nothing then a simple bet would do.

The only reason to play like this is if you think he is capable of raising with air on river when no low is possible.

All in all, beting is probably best. With the check-call bein a close second. With AK high you have some chances to be good on such board.

donger · #2 11-17-2007, 05:42 AM

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Betting the river is way better. C/r here is pretty much terrible. Cost twice as much and probably works less than a bet, imo.

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Just my thought, if he has anything he isnt folding to a checkraise. And if he had nothing then a simple bet would do.

The only reason to play like this is if you think he is capable of raising with air on river when no low is possible.

All in all, beting is probably best. With the check-call bein a close second. With AK high you have some chances to be good on such board.

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The way the hand played out, I had planned on autopilot check folding the river. He instantly bet when I checked, which is info I should have probably included in the OP. This didn't really make sense; he should need a little time to consider a value bet on this board with any hand that he wasn't capable of raising with on the turn (barring QQ or retardo slowplays).

So I don't really think he can have a monster here. His range is weighted heavily toward bluff catcher type hands and bluffs. If I check the river, I get a free SD against the bluff catchers, and if he bets, I can steal the pot from better hands that are "bluffing," and from some thin/fuzzy value bets. I also pick up extra bets from the naked bluffs that can't bet AK-hi and would have folded or bluff raised the river.

Whaddya think?

Big Dave D · #3 11-17-2007, 06:58 AM

This being the Stars game, this logic isn't quite so strong. He will probably be calling every pair here so the CR only gets rid of an identical AK.

gl

bdd

Rainshine · #4 11-17-2007, 12:03 PM

unless villian holds A3QQ/AA23 this bluff I feel should work. I like it.

prodonkey · #5 11-17-2007, 12:23 PM

well you're repping a 7 pretty well, I don't mind this play at all.

Big Dave D · #6 11-17-2007, 01:27 PM

If you had the 7, a more natural play is to bet for value, having been in the lead for the whole hand. People in that game and the 30-60 will call with v thin highs on the river.

gl

bdd

Borys313 · #7 11-17-2007, 04:33 PM

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If you had the 7, a more natural play is to bet for value, having been in the lead for the whole hand. People in that game and the 30-60 will call with v thin highs on the river.

gl

bdd

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I played in this games alot (30-60 and above) and everyone will call with a Q,J or 7. And some of this guys will also with a bare 2 and AT high.

Its just the "got ya donk" mentality.

Buzz · #8 11-17-2007, 05:10 PM

Hi Big Dave - Villain called after the flop and called after the turn.

I'd guess Villain was drawing after the flop, and probably not for the board to pair. If so, then Villain missed on the turn and was still on a draw.

(...a draw for what? My best guess is probably low.)

Now Hero checks the river. Villain probably correctly puts Hero on a missed low draw. It wasn't clear that Hero didn't flop a set and turn a full house until Hero checked the river! But now suddenly (because Hero checks the river) Villain can put Hero on a missed low draw.

And so Villain bets the river. Call it betting position. Call it betting the void. Whatever.

True, it's possible Villain could have been setting a trap on the turn. However that would be an unusual way to play a strong high hand. (You'd expect Villain to raise on the third betting round with such a hand, hoping to make it expensive for Hero to draw for low.)

Even without the tell, I'd guess Villain was probably using position on the river hoping to out-play Hero. But the tell and Donger's logic fall right in line with that guess:
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He instantly bet when I checked, which is info I should have probably included in the OP. This didn't really make sense; he should need a little time to consider a value bet on this board with any hand that he wasn't capable of raising with on the turn (barring QQ or retardo slowplays).

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At any rate, imagine Villain's chagrin when Hero check-raises!

Nice play, Donger!

Buzz