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Old 11-16-2007, 03:42 PM
Neuge Neuge is offline
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Default Re: who wins the NL MVP?

1. Wright
2. Pujols
3. Utley
4. Chipper
5. Holliday

It's too bad Wright doesn't have a chance because the voters are retards, but he does deserve it. But yeah, between Rollins and Holliday it's obv Holliday.
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: who wins the NL MVP?

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Matt Holliday:
Home OPS: 1.157
Away OPS: .860

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VORP is adjusted for park, but looking at Holliday's splits it almost seems like they [censored] it up somewhere. On the road he was like barely above average offensively for a corner outfielder.
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:27 AM
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Default Re: who wins the NL MVP?

Is Rollins>Holliday a better or worse decision than Howard>Pujols?

How about vs. Morneu>anyone else not named Morneu?
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:38 AM
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Default Re: who wins the NL MVP?

You can't totally dismiss Matt Holliday's stats because he performed much better at home. How many other players had a 1.157 OPS @ Colorado this year? You can't just assume he is an .860 OPS hitter and anything higher than that is because of the ballpark.
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:42 AM
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Default Re: who wins the NL MVP?

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How many other players had a 1.157 OPS @ Colorado this year?

[/ QUOTE ] Very many I would assume. Although sample size issues apply.
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:57 AM
Phildo Phildo is offline
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Default Re: who wins the NL MVP?

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You can't totally dismiss Matt Holliday's stats because he performed much better at home. How many other players had a 1.157 OPS @ Colorado this year? You can't just assume he is an .860 OPS hitter and anything higher than that is because of the ballpark.

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Hawpe 1.017/.830
Atkins .936/.773
Tulowitzki .960/.720
Matsui .863/.637

I mean, Helton and Taveras were the only two guys on the team with a decent sample size that didn't have a massive difference between home and away stats. It's not like Holliday was some crazy outlier.
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Old 11-17-2007, 02:03 AM
Benholio Benholio is offline
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Default Re: who wins the NL MVP?

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How many other players had a 1.157 OPS @ Colorado this year?

[/ QUOTE ] Very many I would assume. Although sample size issues apply.

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Yeah, yeah... You get my drift though. You can't zero out Colorado stats because they are at Colorado. Sure, his numbers at home are inflated compared to his road numbers, but I really don't think there is a 34.5% park factor at play here.
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Old 11-17-2007, 02:14 AM
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Default Re: who wins the NL MVP?

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Is Rollins>Holliday a better or worse decision than Howard>Pujols?

How about vs. Morneu>anyone else not named Morneu?

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worse than Howard/Pujols, much better than Morneau/anyone
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:11 PM
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Default Re: who wins the NL MVP?

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Is Rollins>Holliday a better or worse decision than Howard>Pujols?

How about vs. Morneu>anyone else not named Morneu?

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worse than Howard/Pujols, much better than Morneau/anyone

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I agree.

Pujols vs Howard was at worst a toss up? From a pure stats point of view Howard was better in many categories.

Also, if we believe the steroid era is over and Howard and Pujols are clean, then 58 hrs was and is pretty impressive.
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:16 PM
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Default Re: who wins the NL MVP?

HEY GUYS THERE ARE PARK EFFECTS THAT ADJUST FOR HOLLIDAY'S NUMBERS AT HOME WTF?
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