Playing 88 in a vacuum

Wolfram · #1 09-23-2007, 12:06 PM

First hand, no reads.

Too passive?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 4.75 BB

Gurravasa · #2 09-23-2007, 01:33 PM

Why do you donk turn? I would let UTG bet A-high again.

Wolfram · #3 09-23-2007, 02:41 PM

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Why do you donk turn? I would let UTG bet A-high again.

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I didn't want it to get checked through.

Gurravasa · #4 09-23-2007, 02:44 PM

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Why do you donk turn? I would let UTG bet A-high again.

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I didn't want it to get checked through.

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Did you have a read that he don't bet turn UI?

Wolfram · #5 09-23-2007, 03:11 PM

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Should I assume that unknowns bet too much in this spot?

Also, should I have c/r the flop?

Guy McSucker · #6 09-23-2007, 03:13 PM

I don't know what average 2/4 players are like so I can't really judge the action but IMO you are certainly not too passive here.

I don't mind the turn donk since two players called UTG's flop bet. If he has no pair there's a good chance he'll check it and button is not looking too keen on his hand.

So I don't think it's too bad to bet the turn and river, and I think you should probably fold if you get raised.

If it were HU on the turn I would check-call and then maybe donk the river or maybe check-call again. If the turn checked through I'd bet the river and expect to get looked up by A-high a fair bit.

Guy.

Romulet · #7 09-23-2007, 03:18 PM

Raise the flop. That way you save having to play the turn in such a way. What if a king comes off on the turn? You've gotta get your money in good, the button looks loke he will call all day so dosen't seem like a threat to me. You are ahead a big ammount here so raise the flop and let them pay to see the overcards.
If you get 3 bet on the flop then it gets tough. You can maybe get away cheap, player dependant of course.

mute · #8 09-23-2007, 03:36 PM

I play it the same.

Not sure if I can say why, I think it's best, though.

Oink · #9 09-23-2007, 03:48 PM

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Should I assume that unknowns bet too much in this spot?

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Not IMO. I cant see why you can ever expect villain to bet his A high, K high and other hands that missed the flop.

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Also, should I have c/r the flop?

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I would consider c/r'ing the flop. You are ahead of the fish always and you are mostly ahead of UTG.

Given that you didnt c/r the flop I like the turn bet.

BTW I always 3-bet preflop here. You have an equity edge and a 3-bet out of BB gives folding eq vs 99% of villains. I am sure Apanage shows up telling you to only 3-bet AA and KK here tho. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

detruncate · #10 09-23-2007, 03:59 PM

You could c/r the flop, but your line is fine I think. Unpaired As and Ks are going to check the turn a ton on this board, and BU's range is likely to be pretty wide, even after the flop call.