high stakes absolute players

[Tuco]

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AP Affiliate Manager responds:

Hi Everyone,

This thread is completely off kilter...

Absolute Poker is certified and rated by the same organizations that monitor other poker rooms. To make accusations that AP is rigged or has a breach in our security is simply not true.

All players are monitored, and the players discussed in these threads have been reviewed and cleared by the security department. It can be assured that there are no security holes where player can hack in the system to view the cards.

If anyone would like to keep commenting on this subject you can contact myself via email at Danielle@chipleader.com. Also, I correspond with QUITE a few affiliates on this forum daily/weekly via email so you will get a response, I would like to clear up any negative thoughts about this program and our brands. Thank you.

Kindest Regards,
D

http://www.pokeraffiliateworld.com/forum...ng-ap-ub-4.html

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Am I crazy or would this person have no better idea about waht really may go on behind the scenes then you or I?

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That's my view, plus it's in this person's best interest if his customer's continue to play on AP.

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Ya, lord knows why the affiliate manager is the one responding to this very serious accusation. AM's typically don't have any working knowledge of the client software or technical issues surrounding it. They are marketing people.

AP was pulled from one of the biggest RB provider sites a little while back and I think it's time for me to pull them from my site. They won't care much, but something is wrong here.

Tuco.

[veganmav]

Nice river valuebets Steamroller.

STAGE #757161607: HOLDEM NORMAL $200/$400 - 2007-09-08 21:31:11 (ET)
Table: DARE AVE (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - STEAMROLLER ($6780 in chips)
Seat 4 - BERGENISGAY ($21696 in chips)
Seat 5 - ARCADIO83 ($24702.25 in chips)
Seat 6 - STAYINSCHOOL ($5035.75 in chips)
BERGENISGAY - Posts small blind $100
ARCADIO83 - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
STAYINSCHOOL - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Raises $400 to $400
BERGENISGAY - Raises $500 to $600
ARCADIO83 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Raises $400 to $800
BERGENISGAY - Calls $200
*** FLOP *** [As Js 10s]
BERGENISGAY - Checks
STEAMROLLER - Bets $200
BERGENISGAY - Raises $400 to $400
STEAMROLLER - Raises $400 to $600
BERGENISGAY - Calls $200
*** TURN *** [As Js 10s] [4h]
BERGENISGAY - Checks
STEAMROLLER - Bets $400
BERGENISGAY - Calls $400
*** RIVER *** [As Js 10s 4h] [5h]
BERGENISGAY - Checks
STEAMROLLER - Bets $400
BERGENISGAY - Calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
STEAMROLLER - Shows [2h 5d] (One pair, fives)
BERGENISGAY - Mucks
STEAMROLLER Collects $4595 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($4600) | Rake ($5)
Board [As Js 10s 4h 5h]
Seat 3: STEAMROLLER (dealer) won Total ($4595) HI$4595) with One pair, fives [2h 5d - B:5h,P:5d,B:As,B:Js,B:10s]
Seat 4: BERGENISGAY (small blind) HI: [Mucked] [9c Ks]
Seat 5: ARCADIO83 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: STAYINSCHOOL Folded on the POCKET CARDS


STAGE #757204002: HOLDEM NORMAL $200/$400 - 2007-09-08 22:22:18 (ET)
Table: DARE AVE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - BERGENISGAY ($10183.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - ARCADIO83 ($8479.75 in chips)
Seat 6 - POKERART82 ($20000 in chips)
Seat 1 - STEREOFLAVAS ($5350 in chips)
Seat 3 - STEAMROLLER ($28270 in chips)
ARCADIO83 - Posts small blind $100
POKERART82 - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
STEREOFLAVAS - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Raises $400 to $400
BERGENISGAY - Raises $600 to $600
ARCADIO83 - Folds
POKERART82 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Raises $400 to $800
BERGENISGAY - Calls $200
*** FLOP *** [5h 3h 7s]
STEAMROLLER - Bets $200
BERGENISGAY - Calls $200
*** TURN *** [5h 3h 7s] [As]
STEAMROLLER - Bets $400
BERGENISGAY - Calls $400
*** RIVER *** [5h 3h 7s As] [2d]
STEAMROLLER - Bets $400
BERGENISGAY - Calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
STEAMROLLER - Shows [Ks Jc] (ace high)
BERGENISGAY - Mucks
STEAMROLLER Collects $3895 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3900) | Rake ($5)
Board [5h 3h 7s As 2d]
Seat 1: STEREOFLAVAS Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: STEAMROLLER won Total ($3895) HI$3895) with ace high [Ks Jc - B:As,P:Ks,P:Jc,B:7s,B:5h]
Seat 4: BERGENISGAY (dealer) HI: [Mucked] [Kd 10s]
Seat 5: ARCADIO83 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: POKERART82 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

[chrisptp]

Poker affiliate world appears to have killed that thread.

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yup, they did. i asked why and got this reply:

"I removed the thread on request of AP upper management. They will be giving the affiliates an official statement via PAW."

[chrisptp]

and here's that statement (i guess):

http://www.pokeraffiliateworld.com/forum....html#post66176

"Hi All,

Thank you for your patience in this urgent issue.

Let me start off by stating in 100% confidence that, fair play and security is of paramount importance to Absolute Poker. We have temporarily frozen accounts that have been brought to our attention while we perform an extensive investigation.

While we are continuing with our investigation, we have yet to find any evidence of wrong doing. Our game client only receives data regarding the individuals hand and no other players hole cards, except in the event of a showdown.

The player’s and their respective actions that are in question, all come from a small sample of Hands. We have researched their play exhaustively and have found no proof that they had any knowledge of other player’s hole cards.

There were hands that were played poorly -- from a poker strategy perspective -- and these players did receive a fortunate result.
So far we have no evidence that substantiates claims that any of the players were involved in chip dumping, or any other improper activity.

Because of the seriousness of these allegations, we have not closed the investigation and are continuing to look very closely into this matter.We will notify you if we obtain any new information regarding these claims.

Kindest Regards,
Danielle"

[mntbikr15]

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So far we have no evidence that substantiates claims that any of the players were involved in chip dumping, or any other improper activity.



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LOLLOLOL

edit- if that statement is for real and official this has GOTTA be an inside job

[DEAD ON IMPACT]

Was i hilusinating or did Doubledrag make an obvious chip dump of 250k a few days back? If a player sits at 25/50nl and bets 9975 of his 10k stack and his opponents goes all in for 10k and he folds, to me that looks like chip dumping.

[stigmata]

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Was i hilusinating or did Doubledrag make an obvious chip dump of 250k a few days back? If a player sits at 25/50nl and bets 9975 of his 10k stack and his opponents goes all in for 10k and he folds, to me that looks like chip dumping.

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we need mined hands of this event.

we need a PTDB of every single hand observed hand, limit+nl, that they have played. For [censored] sake, sort this out NOW high stakes regulars!

otherwise it can't be proved one way or the other.

But jesus [censored] chirst it looks more suspicious than anything anyone has ever seen before. The point that absolute don't seem to be addressing is that it is extremely improbable to play 95% of your hands FTOP correct.

Another interesting side point is that the player(s) appear to have been high stakes fish who then suddenly went on a massive winning streak. This is not consistent with the "random hacker" hypothesis -- it seems unlikely that a high stakes fish would suddenly discover mad hacking skills. Instead, it supports the alternate theories of either A) an inside job or B) just a random set of a few hundred hands where a fish accidentally makes 95% correct FTOP decisions.

[BradL]

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it seems unlikely that a high stakes fish would suddenly discover mad hacking skills. Instead, it supports the alternate theories of either A) an inside job or B) just a random set of a few hundred hands where a fish accidentally makes 95% correct FTOP decisions.

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It seems almost certain that if it is cheating it is in some respect an "inside job;" that is to say that on some level the software developers or security staff are involved. It is my unsubstantiated hypothesis that graycat is either a current/ex-employee of ap or a close associate of one.

[chrisptp]

correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't the chip dumping accusation pretty clearly supported in another thread? her statement outright denies it...

also, has anyone seen the accounts in question playing? her statement does say they temporarily froze (some of?) the accounts mentioned in the thread...