petition for the return of TE

[Uglyowl]

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When/why was he banned?

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He was suspended for 3 days for giving Mason a hard time about not commenting on the regs. Mason said he was unprofessional and disrespectful while in my view, he was just questioning him. I likened it to the disrespectful when a student questions a principal, not the definition of disrespectful between adults.

For all the hard work The Engineer does for the poker community FOR FREE, Mason is not very friendly towards him ever since he joined the PPA's board.

I am very turned off by the name twoplustwo now.

[OldNantucker]

"No good deed goes unpunished."
The Engineer volunteered countless hours to help us. I always felt he had the best interests of the players at heart and had no hidden agenda.

[LesJ]

I would be suprised if the following assertion is not true:

Mason has exerted more effort fighting The Engineer than he has fighting the UIGEA.

Les

[fnord_too]

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I would be suprised if the following assertion is not true:

Mason has exerted more effort fighting The Engineer than he has fighting the UIGEA.

Les

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I would be shocked if it was true.

[fnord_too]

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I would be suprised if the following assertion is not true:

Mason has exerted more effort fighting The Engineer than he has fighting the UIGEA.

Les

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I would be shocked if it was true.

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Edit - I completely mis read the original statement. I would agree with the statement you made [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] (thought you said Mason had exerted more effort fighting UIGEA than the engineer)

[IndyFish]

In the past month this forum has experienced a PPA- and TE-bashing free-for-all. When I first started lurking here a few months before UIGEA this was by far the most professional and informative forum I had seen. It got far, far better when TE began posting here. It has dropped significantly recently. Now there is only infighting, accusations, and whining about the PPA. Like it or not, PPA is the only game in town. They aren't perfect, but they are improving.

I hope TE returns, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he didn't. Just my $.02.

IndyFish

[BluffTHIS!]

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I would be suprised if the following assertion is not true:

Mason has exerted more effort fighting The Engineer than he has fighting the UIGEA.

Les

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LesJ,

Please don't mischaracterize the true situation here. The Engineer is free *and welcomed and encouraged* to post here to fight the UIGEA as long as he 1) identifies himself as a board member of the PPA, and 2) exercises the professional decorum expected of same (which baiting and attacking Mason isn't).

Also you are asserting an implicit premise, which is fallaceous, that Mason/2p2 has an obligation to you and any/all posters to take some specific action or actions to fight the UIGEA. Mason has provided this forum and allows us to strategize and discuss tactical methods free of charge. Yet you seem to think you can demand other various actions of him.

So don't come here and try to spin this into something that isn't a truthful representation of the facts.

[LesJ]

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I would be suprised if the following assertion is not true:

Mason has exerted more effort fighting The Engineer than he has fighting the UIGEA.

Les

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LesJ,

Please don't mischaracterize the true situation here. The Engineer is free *and welcomed and encouraged* to post here to fight the UIGEA as long as he 1) identifies himself as a board member of the PPA, and 2) exercises the professional decorum expected of same (which baiting and attacking Mason isn't).

Also you are asserting an implicit premise, which is fallaceous, that Mason/2p2 has an obligation to you and any/all posters to take some specific action or actions to fight the UIGEA. Mason has provided this forum and allows us to strategize and discuss tactical methods free of charge. Yet you seem to think you can demand other various actions of him.

So don't come here and try to spin this into something that isn't a truthful representation of the facts.

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Bluff,

Which of the two have you HONESTLY spent more time on?

Fighting the PPA or Fighting UIGEA??

I think we all already know the answer to that, and that is one of the greatest reasons your arguments do not resonate with a greater number of people in this forum. You don't actually do anything. You just bitch about those that are.

Les

[BluffTHIS!]

LesJ,

You can build all the strawmen and dangle all the red herrings you want, but that still doesn't make them valid. And if you really believe in your own strawman, then it only proves you don't think very well.

Here's a clue: fighting to make a better and more effective PPA is fighting the UIGEA.

And as I noted above, TE and the PPA are free to use these forums to urge posters to fight the UIGEA. They just aren't free to demand certain actions of Mason/2p2 or not conduct themselves in an open and professional manner. TE was doing this thing fine lately *until he felt it necessary to bait Mason and demand he take certain actions*, and *DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE PPA REFUSES TO ADDRESS LEGITIMATE ISSUES OF BOARD COMPOSITION AND TRANSPARENCY.

[LesJ]

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LesJ,

You can build all the strawmen and dangle all the red herrings you want, but that still doesn't make them valid. And if you really believe in your own strawman, then it only proves you don't think very well.

Here's a clue: fighting to make a better and more effective PPA is fighting the UIGEA.

And as I noted above, TE and the PPA are free to use these forums to urge posters to fight the UIGEA. They just aren't free to demand certain actions of Mason/2p2 or not conduct themselves in an open and professional manner. TE was doing this thing fine lately *until he felt it necessary to bait Mason and demand he take certain actions*, and *DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE PPA REFUSES TO ADDRESS LEGITIMATE ISSUES OF BOARD COMPOSITION AND TRANSPARENCY.

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Exactly the response I expected. Thanks for the verification.

Maybe I am ignorant, Bluff, but I didn't realize it had to be a zero-sum game for you. Surely as a poker player you are adept at multi-tasking. Are you saying that because you are critical of the PPA that you are somehow totally incapable of using any of your great talents to also fight the UIGEA? Maybe if you fought the regulations with the same ferocity that you fight the only organization that is working for us you would gain some credibility. Perhaps you would even win some people over to thought processes concerning the makeup of the Board of Directors. The only way the makeup of the Board will change is if the grass roots members of the PPA care enough to make it a priority. A couple of articulate, yet extremely INACTIVE naggers on an internet message board is not going to make it happen.

Les