Is this a "bad beat" or just poor playing ?

[mstram]

Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em Tournament, 30/60 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): 3,620
UTG+1: 1,185
MP1: 2,030
MP2: 1,170
CO: 1,315
BTN: 690
SB: 8,570
BB: 1,305

Pre-Flop: (90) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to 120</font>, 5 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to 180</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to 240</font>, SB calls 60

Flop: (540) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets 540</font>, Hero calls 540

Turn: (1,620) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets 1,620</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to 2,840 and is All-In</font>, SB calls 1,220

River: (7,300) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 7,300 Pot
Hero showed 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a full house, Sixes full of Aces) and LOST (-3,620 NET)
SB showed 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a full house, Aces full of Fives) and WON 7,300 (+3,680 NET)

[SellingtheDrama]

Preflop - don't minraise either time. Once he three-bets, just call. The raise to 240 is just being silly.

Flop - lets assume he is not bluffing. What hands are you beating when you call? You can't beat any pair aside from 22-44 and any ace just outflopped you. You are calling - either fold if you believe you are drawing to two outs, or move in now if you believe he can fold.

Turn - once you hit your miracle card, get the money in and after that its just luck.

[mstram]

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Preflop - don't minraise either time. Once he three-bets, just call. The raise to 240 is just being silly.


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As I wrote in my other post, admittedly I have much to learn about how/when/what to bet [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Flop - lets assume he is not bluffing. What hands are you beating when you call? You can't beat any pair aside from 22-44 and any ace just outflopped you. You are calling - either fold if you believe you are drawing to two outs, or move in now if you believe he can fold.


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I guess I only called as I thought 66 55, was a decent hand but not unbeatable, so was hesitant to go all in. The last few tourneys I played in I've been (a bit) more aggressive and have had some improved results.

Mike

[greekgooner]

I probably would have folded after he bet the flop, guessing he had A and high kicker after the preflop betting. After that I think you just got very unlucky against someone who wasn't likely to fold two pair.

[grapabo]

1. You don't need to show the results, unless you put it in a font color that hides it. The results won't make a good play bad, or a bad play good.

2. You have a relatively large stack, and you got involved with the one player who could bust you. Unless you think the player is capable of semi-bluffing the pot with a heart draw on the flop, you're either way ahead or way behind. I wouldn't have called the pot-sized bet on the flop.

3. Turn bet - it's plausible that he could be playing with aces or fives, but it's understandably difficult to fold a full house, and the push to make him pay to see the last card is a good bet, since he's already signalled that he has a hand and will likely pay you off. At that point, it's just poor luck.

[mstram]

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2. You have a relatively large stack, and you got involved with the one player who could bust you. Unless you think the player is capable of semi-bluffing the pot with a heart draw on the flop, you're either way ahead or way behind. I wouldn't have called the pot-sized bet on the flop.


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I thought 66 55 was a decent hand.

I guess any "flop pairs" always have the potential for a fullhouse, so should I really only be playing two pairs when I have two different hole cards paired with the board? ... and no other pairs showing on the board?

What would you want to have for hole cards in order to call with that flop?

Or do you mean you would have raised ... or folded with my hand?

Mike

[Dalek]

In early position, 66 is really too weak to play unless the table is really passive. Even if this is the case you should be able to play well post-flop and you should raise 3/4 x BB from UTG.

When he min-raises just call. Fold to the flop-bet. It is very likely he holds an ace and the pot bet is bigger than most players bet when the are continuation betting. You got lucky on the turn and the shove was correct because he has been playing strongly making it likely he will call. You got unlucky on the last card but the hand was played quite poorly.

BTW, i read something about it being difficult to fold a full house. You should almost never fold a full house, especially at lower stakes. Its almost never +EV.

[thrasher789]

Pretty bad play and the ace falling on the river sucks BUT mostly there were just some pretty big mistakes that you probably could have avoided.

1. fold PF
2. don't minraise three bet, call once your in
3. stop and think before calling the flop, it's pretty obvious he has you beat here, so if he is capable of laying down a weak ace then it would be possible to put in a sizeable reraise, but the second he bets, when you closed the action on the flop, you should know you are beat and insta fold imo.
4.Nice job getting the money in when you hit your 2 outer on the turn, and it sucks he rivered the ace.

[grapabo]

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I thought 66 55 was a decent hand.

I guess any "flop pairs" always have the potential for a fullhouse, so should I really only be playing two pairs when I have two different hole cards paired with the board? ... and no other pairs showing on the board?

What would you want to have for hole cards in order to call with that flop?

Or do you mean you would have raised ... or folded with my hand?

Mike

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In itself, the flop pair helps you in that situation because that makes fewer cards out there that the villain pairs. But with small pairs (your hole cards, not the flop), epecially out of position, you're going to need help to stay in the hand. Oftentimes, you'll either hit your set and make a bundle, or you'll be folding to a flop bet.

Plus, with the ace on the flop, it's more likely than any other card to have made a pair for the villain. This, more than the flop pair, would lead me to fold to a pot-sized bet.

[greekgooner]

I can't understand why he chose to raise and call a reraise with A3