100NL QQ hand vs 2p2er

[BigDan9]

I've been playing too much poker and am very tired. As a result, I'm afraid I don't quite understand your question. Happy to chip in if you could re-phrase...

[vizer02]

Because I reraised to $10 preflop and the BB only had $13.xx in front of him, when he pushes the only option I have when it comes back around to me is to call the remaining $3.xx. I want the option to reraise after he shoves, so what would I have had to 3-bet to in the first place?

[BigDan9]

1/2 the stack then, I guess. But I wouldn't base my bet size on the possibility that BB might shove...

Incidentally, was this an example of why slowplaying a flopped set is often a bad idea?! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Renton]

i think fourbetting is pretty much terrible here.


Pretty easy turn check i think, but theres some variance attached to it. I don't think its going to get checked thru again and betting out into a 4 way protected pot screams strength.

[Kos13]

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i think fourbetting is pretty much terrible here.


Pretty easy turn check i think, but theres some variance attached to it. I don't think its going to get checked thru again and betting out into a 4 way protected pot screams strength.

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I agree with the turn check, but why is 4betting bad here? Due to the original min-raise, the 3bet is smaller than normal, and vizer is capable of making this move with a lot of hands.

EDIT: I thought the min-raiser was the tiny stack, so it changes a bit. Still, I don't see how 4betting is "terrible" here.

[Renton]

because it turns QQ into basically a bluff

[Kos13]

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because it turns QQ into basically a bluff

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Apparently, I'm nine levels below you on this thinking...which isn't a surprise since I suck, but I just don't get how a 4bet is a bluff here when you're going to be OOP against two (or more) players if you call.

[Renton]

ppl don't 3bet light enough in small stakes full ring for there to be good value in 4betting QQ

QQ is a great hand and plays great multiway though, so its definitely very profitable to take a flop here, even if oop.

[chicken10der]

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Because I reraised to $10 preflop and the BB only had $13.xx in front of him, when he pushes the only option I have when it comes back around to me is to call the remaining $3.xx. I want the option to reraise after he shoves, so what would I have had to 3-bet to in the first place?

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3betting to $7.60 is a raise of $5.60 from UTG+2s minraise, then a push for $13.20 total from the BB would be a raise of $5.60 on your $7.60, which would re-open the betting since it is at least equal to the most recent raise amount (not bet amount).

for regular raises (not 3bets), the max is just half the stack plus a small blind (with their posted blinds added back into their stack first if applicable). i.e. if you're UTG and UTG+1 has $14, you can raise to $7.50 ($6.50 raise) and still have the option to raise when it comes back around if he shoves and someone else calls in between because his shove to $14 will be a $6.50 raise.

for 3bets, the equation would be:
(short stack [13.20] - first raise bet amount [2.00]) / 2 = max amount you can 3bet [5.60]
and if the 3bet answer is less than the first raise amount, then you can't do it.

[Kos13]

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ppl don't 3bet light enough in small stakes full ring for there to be good value in 4betting QQ

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FWIW, vizer is definitely one of the people at 100 that 3bets much lighter than just AA/KK.