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Old 10-30-2007, 10:33 AM
Rodolphe Rodolphe is offline
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Default 16$ : Push with 44

SNGWiz say it's a push with 88+ here.
I don't understand "intuitively" why.
And with blind 200/400 it's a push with 77+. I have a lot of FE, haven't I ?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t3115)
BB (t2365)
UTG (t2385)
MP (t3530)
Hero (t2105)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls t200, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2080</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls t1880.

Flop: (t4260) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t4260) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t4260) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t4260
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:43 AM
Crash0veride Crash0veride is offline
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Default Re: 16$ : Push with 44

FE here depends on MP and what his limping range is I guess. If he's been limp folding a lot than I would certainly push over the top and take down 3.5 bb already in pot. otherwise i'd fold.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:52 AM
RexWoo RexWoo is offline
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Default Re: 16$ : Push with 44

I like it more if you were on BB. Here, it's close.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:55 AM
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Default Re: 16$ : Push with 44

As described in Colin Moshman's book: Find out who the "High-Blind-Limpers" are and make moves like this against them, if you have seen him folding alot to raises.

Otherwise easy fold.
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:18 PM
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Default Re: 16$ : Push with 44

if hes limping weakly a lot, do it up. if hes not, fold.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:41 PM
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Default Re: 16$ : Push with 44

I'm almost done with Moshman and I am not sure he really recommends pushing 10+ BB over a HBL without a solid read. In other words, make sure the HBL is really an HBL.

You can also cut the last half of your HH off - not relevant to your decision, really, that the flop came low (didn't hit AK/AQ/KQ) and that you didn't improve.

I think he calls a ton with hands that beat you and there's no real reason to go to war with a low PP at this time. I like this a ton if he folds, though. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: 16$ : Push with 44

Most people who limp like this are retarded, and then a push is usually correct. Kinda opponent related tho.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:39 AM
diditmyway diditmyway is offline
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Default Re: 16$ : Push with 44

easy fold.
I openpush 77 here so i wont push a limper with worse than 77 either.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:42 AM
eurythmech eurythmech is offline
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Default Re: 16$ : Push with 44

vs some limpers, there is EXTRA value in shoving behind their limps, or at least, I'm pretty damn convinced there is.

Also, 77+ seems awfully tight.
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Old 11-03-2007, 02:45 PM
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Default Re: 16$ : Push with 44

This is an automatic fold for me, also if I've seen him limping before. It might be an ok push with a very strong read though, but you have that very seldom. I like the 77+ range, maybe even tighter. Patience is important, and you have more than 10 BB's.
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