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Old 10-30-2007, 08:55 AM
Melchiades Melchiades is offline
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Default Re: 300bb 4-bet pot lets play poker!

Don't really like the 4-bet size. Underpotting it deep OOP?

1. Bet
2. Bet
3. Check/fold (but I don't think CR all in is horrible at all)
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:43 AM
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Default Re: 300bb 4-bet pot lets play poker!

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3. Check/fold (but I don't think CR all in is horrible at all)

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Don't you think that we're often going to be drawing to 4 outs on a good day if called?
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:49 AM
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Default Re: 300bb 4-bet pot lets play poker!

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3. Check/fold (but I don't think CR all in is horrible at all)

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Don't you think that we're often going to be drawing to 4 outs on a good day if called?

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4 outs how?
Also I like how ikestoys said to c/f AKo and everyone is like "yahyah c/f obv"
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:52 AM
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3. Check/fold (but I don't think CR all in is horrible at all)

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Don't you think that we're often going to be drawing to 4 outs on a good day if called?

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4 outs how?
Also I like how ikestoys said to c/f AKo and everyone is like "yahyah c/f obv"

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I'd love to have an argument on whether or not to c/f with AK. Plz provide the counter point to:

-A very significant portion of villains range is KK-JJ.
-Expecting the villain to fold JJ-KK to a c/r is very dubious.
-Its unlikely he'll bluff the lower parts of his range
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:56 AM
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Default Re: 300bb 4-bet pot lets play poker!

sorry, I meant 3 outs. And I was mainly referring to the crai that Isura mentioned.
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:58 AM
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Default Re: 300bb 4-bet pot lets play poker!

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3. Check/fold (but I don't think CR all in is horrible at all)

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Don't you think that we're often going to be drawing to 4 outs on a good day if called?

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4 outs how?
Also I like how ikestoys said to c/f AKo and everyone is like "yahyah c/f obv"

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I'd love to have an argument on whether or not to c/f with AK. Plz provide the counter point to:

-A very significant portion of villains range is KK-JJ.
-Expecting the villain to fold JJ-KK to a c/r is very dubious.
-Its unlikely he'll bluff the lower parts of his range

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I actually agree that c/f is the best line fwiw, just making an observation
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:23 AM
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1.) I 4bet more, bet flop and go broke 100%
2.) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I could c/r or lead... obv going broke on flop
3.) c/f
4.)see above

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I was considering Cbeting AK (maybe a leak), but I think c/f is better.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:24 AM
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Default Re: 300bb 4-bet pot lets play poker!

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-A very significant portion of villains range is KK-JJ.

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Agreed.

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-Expecting the villain to fold JJ-KK to a c/r is very dubious.

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A 100NL TAG is not bet/calling QQ or less for 300BB's. Usually isn't betting QQ/JJ though, but will fold it to a push most of the time even when he bets thinking he got the info he needed.

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-Its unlikely he'll bluff the lower parts of his range

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Disagree.

We gave him good odds preflop, he is in there with a lot of stuff. He is only bet/calling KK+ and sets. Sets are hard to make, less AA/KK out there since we have AK.

I still prefer c/f, but I don't think CR is all that bad. Tags at this level are weak as hell in deep pots. No way in hell is he felting JJ or the like here unless heros image is that of a batshit crazy lagfish.
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