$27 turbo - late game postflop bluff

[Isura]

No real reads except they both seem pretty tight PF and not making any dumb looking plays.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP (t1230)
CO (t1355)
Hero (t2475)
SB (t3870)
BB (t2880)
UTG (t1690)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t500</font>, SB calls t400, BB calls t300.

Flop: (t1500) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t1500) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t200</font>, Hero calls t200, SB folds.

River: (t1900) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1775 (All-In)</font>,

[Raj]

The call bluff is an interesting play here. Given no reads, that small turn bet can mean anything. He didn't bluff and he probably doesn't have the 89, so what range would he min bet the turn with after calling a raise preflop?
If you think he's the type of player to min bet medium pair and similar hands on the turn, then I might have bluffed at it too.

[Little John]

even against tight players, i really prefer a fold preflop with J9o.

i like flop.

if you want to bluff, i do it on the turn (semi bluff). it is a bit risky because sb is also in the hand, but the chance of sb having anything and then going check/check seem slim. plus if called you have 8 clean outs.

when you bet the river like that it really looks like a bluff. i'd actually be more scared if i was the bb and you bet 800.

[cakewalk]

hate it

[fluorescenthippo]

this is a bad stack and spot for this PF raise. push with 1700 and raise with 3000 if you really want to but fold here.

[braminc]

knowing your an excellent cash player your postlfop play looks great here
the worst mistake here is preflop. and thats the biggest part of sngs that i imagine will be tough for you to adjust to.
i dont love the river push either. i agree with little john that smaller bets looks more like hands (a concept im sure your more than aware of)

regardless, you HAVE to tighten your pf standards. I think in this spot id open with any pair, and JTs+.

did you ever find a coach to trade cash lessons for sng lessons with?

[Isura]

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when you bet the river like that it really looks like a bluff. i'd actually be more scared if i was the bb and you bet 800.


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Big bets usually mean big hands in this game, no? In general I think its bad to call big bets with a higher frequency than smaller bets.

Regarding PF, I should have folded. I've been experimenting with being more aggressive with position and 12-18bb stacks in the middle stages. But what's the difference between J9o and 22 here? What about ATo (except for the card elimination factor)?

edit: Results: he folded.

[ouwep]

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what's the difference between J9o and 22 here?

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I would like to know this to?
Because I am folding 22 also in this spot...

[Little John]

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when you bet the river like that it really looks like a bluff. i'd actually be more scared if i was the bb and you bet 800.


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Big bets usually mean big hands in this game, no? In general I think its bad to call big bets with a higher frequency than smaller bets.

Regarding PF, I should have folded. I've been experimenting with being more aggressive with position and 12-18bb stacks in the middle stages. But what's the difference between J9o and 22 here? What about ATo (except for the card elimination factor)?

edit: Results: he folded.

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22 is probably a good push a J9o is probably a good fold. run these through sngpt and post results (i would do it but i just stated playing a set)...

[RPatterson67]

You have a horrible stack size for opening with air.