A survey on rake (time) in each B&M cardrooms

[jk90029]

If Mr. Angus found it is wrong, please write it for 2+2ers.

[mikeca]

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Bay 101 and Garden City in San Jose bay101.com and gardencitycasino.com
10% up to $4



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Wrong

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The Rake at Garden City is a flat $4 regardless of pot size if there are 7 or more players at the table. For 6 players it is $3. For 5 or less players it is $1. If there is no flop it is $1. I think Bay 101 is the same.

The City of San Jose outlawed raking a percentage of the pot.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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The City of San Jose outlawed raking a percentage of the pot.

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The city probably clarified California law. In California the rake can never be a percentage of the pot.

It's interesting though how clubs such as the Bike and Commerce take an extra dollar on the river if it is reached in some/most games (at the Bike I think it's also taken if a player folds to a turn raise).

It's not a percentage but a way of spreading out an increased drop. Does this mean it's possible to perhaps drop (assuming a $5 total drop) $2 on the flop, $2 on the turn, and $1 on the river (instead of $5 on the flop)?

Could you use called bets on a street as a drop trigger?

Will the sick up front drop diminish the LA Card Club business as the poker boom subsides and the games tighten up?

~ Rick

[rubixxcube]

Ok.

Borgata this weekend had the following in terms of table numbers:

Friday and saturday night 4-6 tables of 10/20 LHE

15-16 tables of 1/2 NL
9-10 tables of 2/5 NL
4-5 tables of 10/20 LHE
3-4 tables of 20/40 LHE
2 tables of 40/80 LHE
1 table of 10/20 Stud8/O8
Occasionally 80/160 LHE (This game only runs on weekends usually)


1 table of 20/40 stud, only on saturday.

[Mr Rick]

At Foxwoods in 10/20 LHE they take nothing if there is no flop, $2 on the flop, $1 if pot hits $80 and $1 if the pot hits $160. Since most people chop, the pot size is generally at least $25 on the flop so the max drop would be close to 10%. Overall it probably averages ~3%.

If 35 hands get dealt an hour at LHE you had two above average dealers, My guess is that they pull ~$90-$100/hr in rake which would be ~$9-$10/hr per person if you win the average number of dollars.

The 1/2 NL games take $5 every half hour, time charge (or $10/hr). I don't know the time charge for higher limits.

When a table gets shorthanded (5 or fewer) the rake is reduced (by $1 per hand?) which is good to know but rarely applies in practice because nobody wants to play and the table breaks.

[jk90029]

Many 2+2ers helped to write this revised report. Please find more if you plan to go to casinos nearby this weekend. This report can be copied by any 2+2ers.

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Tables # of games in each cardrooms, with rake amount

This information is collected by many 2+2 participants who lives in many different states. Any correction can be reported to 2+2 or jk90029@yahoo.com for future share by 2+2ers.

1. average number of tables at 9PM seven days. Obviously, more in weekend and less in weekdays.
2. buyin and stake 3.SB&BB 4.Limit or No-Limit 5. pot rake(preflop+postflop+jackpotdrop) or hourly time charge

*)Names of cardrooms (#of poker tables, employees) are ordered from west to east coast.
*)Only mid-limit games are listed, such as no-limit NLHE$200 or higher and limit LHE $5/$10 or higher. For lower limit than that, it may not be worth to play after the huge rake.
*)'$600<buy' implies 'Initial byuins can be at least $600 or $600'.
*) '($2/$5)' implies 'small blind $2 and big blind $5'.
*)'$8/HH' implies '$8 mandatory collection per half hour'.
*)'NFND' implies 'No flop, no drop'. Otherwise, $1 drop at preflop dealt.


Commerce(160, 2400) commercecasino.com $1 increase from January 2007 (323)721-2100 x635
5 tables of $9/$18 LHE, no free meal
5 tables of $20/$40 LHE $8/HH, free meal
4 tables of $40/$80 LHE $9/HH, free meal
8 tables of $200buy ($3/$5) NLHE $1+$3+$1, free meal
10 tables of $400buy ($5/$10) NLHE $1+$4+$1, free meal
3 tables of $600<buy ($10/$20) NLHE $9 per HH, free meal

Bicycle(110, 1700) thebicyclecasino.com (562)806-4646 x545
2 tables of $100buy ($2/$3) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, no free meal
3 tables of $200buy ($3/$5) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, free meal
2 tables of $300<buy<$500 ($5/$5) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, free meal
3 tables of $500<buy ($5/$10) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, free meal

Hollywood Park(108) playhpc.com (310)330-2800 x2119 (800)888-HWP
5 tables of $100buy ($2/$3) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, no free meal
3 tables of $200buy ($3/$5) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, no free meal
3 tables of $400buy ($5/$10) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, no free meal

Hawaiian Garden

Hustler

Phoenix, AZ
NLHE prohibited byb state law

Venetian venetian.com
2 tables of $100<buy<$1000 ($2/$5) NLHE $1 at $10/$20/$50/$90 (up to $4)
1 tables of $800buy ($10/$20) NLHE $7/HH

Bellagio bellagio.com
$200-$500 ($2/$5) NLHE 10% upto$4
$800buy ($10/$20) NLHE $7/HH
$500buy ($30/$60) NLHE $6/HH
$800buy ($40/$80) NLHE $7/HH
$1000buy ($60/$120) NLHE $7/HH

Mirage

Bay 101 bay101.com and Garden City gardencitycasino.com in San Jose, CA
$1 + flat $3

Canterbury Park canterburypark.com/cardclub.aspx
10% up to $5 + $1 jackpot drop
NLHE prohibited by state law

Milwaukee
$4, No jackpot system

Turning Stone turning-stone.com
10% up to $4


Foxwoods(100+ tables) foxwoods.com (203)885-3177 x5374 (800)48POKER
12 tables of $300>buy ($1/$2) NLHE, $5/HH, no free meal Cheap!!!
6 tables of $500>buy ($2/$5) NLHE, no free meal
??? of $10/$20 LHE, $0(preflop) + $2(flop) +$1(pot>$80) + $1(pot>$160), NFND
1 table of $40/$80 LHE

Mohegan Sun mohegansun.com (888)226-7711


Borgata theborgata.com
15 tables of $300buy ($1/$2) NLHE, 10% up to $4, no free meal Cheap!!!
9 tables of $500buy ($2/$5) NLHE, $5/HH, no free meal Cheap!!!
??? of $1500buy ($5/$10) NLHE, $6/HH. no free meal
6 tables of $10/$20 LHE and 5 tables of $20/$40 LHE and 2 tables of $40/$80 LHE

TajMahal (65+ tables) trumptaj.com (609)449-1000 x4746
3 tables of $10/$20 LHE, no free meal
3 tables of $20/$40 LHE, no free meal

Trop tropicana.net (800)257-6227


Hard Rock in Tampa hardrockhotelcasinotampa.com
??? of ($2/$5) NLHE

Kennel Club(22 tables) in Daytona jckcpokerroom.com (850)997-2561 Noon to Midnight, Closed on Sunday
1/2NLHE main game
4 tables of ($2/$5) NLHE, insane game

Brighton Seminole seminolecasinobrighton.com
10% up to $5 + $1 jackpot

Immokalee Seminole theseminolecasino.com
LHE - 10% up to $5 + $1 jackpot drop.
NLHE - 10% up to $6 + $1 jackpot drop.


Aviation Club de France English
€100buy (€2/€4) NLHE €4 for pot=€50 and €6 for pot>€100, plus jackpot drop
€250buy (€5/€5) NLHE €10/HH, plus jackpot drop
€500buy (€5/€10) NLHE €15/HH, without jackpot drop
€200buy €10/€20 LHE €10/HH, plus jackpot drop
€400buy €30/€60 LHE €15/HH, without jackpot drop

Please read this paragraph only if you think the pot rake is NOT a big problem. It is simple to figure out how much a young man shall pay the life-time rake, who began poker at 25 and finish poker 55 and continue playing 1000 hours every year (say, as a regular player) The $5 rake is equivalent to hourly rake of about $25, for estimated 45 hands per hour. He pays $25K per SINGLE year and WILL PAY total $750K in his 30 years of poker life, except his tipping to dealers. Therefore, after Commerce raised from $4 to $5 in January 2007, the young man pay from $600K to $750K as his total life-time rake. So $1 increase shall take $150K more from his asset in his life.
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