Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Limit Texas Hold'em > Small Stakes Shorthanded

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-13-2007, 05:39 AM
private joker private joker is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: north american scum
Posts: 11,413
Default JJ vs. chezlaw

Button is chezlaw; he knows who I am.

PokerStars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#FF0000">Button 3-bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls, <font color="#FF0000">Hero caps!</font>, Button calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Button raises</font>, BB folds, Hero...?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-13-2007, 05:50 AM
Oink Oink is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: SLAAAYYYERRRR ! ! ! !
Posts: 4,226
Default Re: JJ vs. chezlaw

Disclaimer: I dont play him enough.

It is my impression that people dont give Chez enough credit for being able to make plays at the pot because ZOMG he is a nit! The pot is big and thats a good flop to make a play on to fold AQ, QQ-TT. But he should realize that you know this, however, he is aware of his image and prolly believes he can make you fold, because ZOMG HE IS A NIT!!!!

I cant fold here. Partly because Chez is too good and partly because I dont want him to post it in LC/NC thread showing ATs.


BTW. If I had seen Chez raise here and bet turn, check river with 88 I would call and c/c c/f
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-13-2007, 06:12 AM
thepizzlefosho thepizzlefosho is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: not winning at SD
Posts: 895
Default Re: JJ vs. chezlaw

I think this is one of those call downs you make against good players to avoid becoming exploitable. You may not be good, but if you start folding too much in spots like this then every TAG, LAGTAG, and LAG is going to pop the flop with all their pkt pairs and AQ and AJ.

I think against tighter players you can often call the flop and turn and c/f the river (as Oink said).

I can't fault you for calling the flop trying to hit a set, and planning on folding the turn, but I think some metegame considerations should be taken into account, and you should seriously consider calling down.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-13-2007, 09:33 AM
inferno inferno is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,402
Default Re: JJ vs. chezlaw

time to call down(depends on future cards obv)
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-13-2007, 09:45 AM
Cobretti Cobretti is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 106
Default Re: JJ vs. chezlaw

I think hero has no choice but to go to showdown.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-13-2007, 10:38 AM
efficacy efficacy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Thailand
Posts: 1,122
Default Re: JJ vs. chezlaw

I would call flop and c/c turn fast to show intention of showing down, and if he keeps firing fearlessly on the river I think we can fold.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-13-2007, 10:48 AM
Oink Oink is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: SLAAAYYYERRRR ! ! ! !
Posts: 4,226
Default Re: JJ vs. chezlaw

[ QUOTE ]
I would call flop and c/c turn fast to show intention of showing down, and if he keeps firing fearlessly on the river I think we can fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

I like this "timing tell" plan in general. Just wanna add tho, that if chez plays like 1k tables its not for sure he notices.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-13-2007, 12:50 PM
DeathDonkey DeathDonkey is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: DeucesCracked - Serious Game
Posts: 6,426
Default Re: JJ vs. chezlaw

Well, Oink's post is good if the assumption that chez is a nitTAG is actually inaccurate. I don't mean to offend chez (I've never seen him play) but people with the "image" of nitTAG turn out to be an actual nitTAG 90% of the time. I would call here just because spiking 2 outers is fun but fold the turn and feel pretty self satisfied.

-DeathDonkey
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-13-2007, 01:11 PM
danzasmack danzasmack is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: DYNAMO HARSHBART
Posts: 7,370
Default Re: JJ vs. chezlaw

"Button is chezlaw; he knows who I am."

Meh, what does that mean?

I call the flop raise always, c/c the turn prob 1/3 and don't call the river like ever. He shouldn't be able to vb anything worse than QQ here since you capped and call flop and turn.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-13-2007, 01:30 PM
MitchL MitchL is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 1,712
Default Re: JJ vs. chezlaw

Chez has the King, I would call flop and c/f the turn. I think against your range PJ (and most peoples for that matter) he wouldnt take this line w/ TT. He should be in wa/wb mode with any hands you beat. Peel for your 2 outer, make him fire one more on the turn and let it go.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.