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Old 11-09-2007, 03:10 AM
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Default Massive Hero fold

I think I need my ass kicked by you guys. I'm getting a gajillion to one on this river with the nut straight. I'm also 99.99996% sure he was on a club draw, since my read is he likes to jam draws on the flop, and the turn action pretty much turned his hand face up IMO.

Still, despite all that, is this fold nevertheless unforgivable since it's an online 6max game?

PokerStars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, MP calls, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (10.00 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#FF0000">BB bets</font>, MP folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#FF0000">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero caps!</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (13.00 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Button raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls, <font color="#FF0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Button caps!</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (25.00 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">BB bets</font>, Hero folds...
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Old 11-09-2007, 03:21 AM
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Default Re: Massive Hero fold

I'm having a hard time coming up with another hand that he could have, but I'd still have a hard time folding this in this ginormous pot. I don't think you have to worry about button raising behind you, unless he's a moron.
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Old 11-09-2007, 07:02 AM
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Default Re: Massive Hero fold

noooo dont fold
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Old 11-09-2007, 07:35 AM
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Default Re: Massive Hero fold

don't fold! It's a 26BB pot and you have a very good hand. You don't think you are good here 4% of the time?

edit: well, obviously you don't think so, but... don't you think you can be wrong 4% of the time?
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Old 11-09-2007, 07:47 AM
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Default Re: Massive Hero fold

I donīt like the flop cap. Assuming we have 0% FE and Button and SB will call the cap 100% of the time, we need about 10 outs to make this play slightly +EV(roughly calculated).

I also donīt fold the river - this is like "[censored] you! i call!"
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Old 11-09-2007, 07:48 AM
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Default Re: Massive Hero fold

its fine.
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Old 11-09-2007, 07:54 AM
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Default Re: Massive Hero fold

Well yes, BB's play looks like pumping the pot with with a FD on the flop, then just calling with it on the turn when equity drops, and then leading the river to ensure it isn't checked through. I doubt you are ahead that 4% of the time.

BTN could have a set or twopair or the same straight as you do.

I think the biggest reason for calling in the end is, at least for me personally, that I'd probably go on a monkey tilt if I folded the best hand on the river in a pot this big. It is only a 1 BB mistake that avoids a lot of bigger mistakes from tilting...

And it is 6-max so give him the benefit of doubt.
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Old 11-09-2007, 08:09 AM
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Folding here will get more observant opponents to start playing back at you more on the river, either and and out of position. This is awful.
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Old 11-09-2007, 08:11 AM
DespotInExile DespotInExile is offline
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Default Re: Massive Hero fold

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I donīt like the flop cap.

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Capping this against a large field is awesome.
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Old 11-09-2007, 08:50 AM
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Default Re: Massive Hero fold

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I donīt like the flop cap.

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Capping this against a large field is awesome.

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Please explain why.

Assuming we have 0% FE, Button and SB will call the cap 100% of the time, ignoring implied odds:

We need at least 33% equity on the flop if we want to cap - actually more bc we have to pay to see the river.

Stoving a unrealistic best-case scenario:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

733,055,400 games 14.985 secs 48,919,279 games/sec

Board: 3c Jh 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.393% 30.57% 00.82% 224122798 6005851.00 { QcTs }
Hand 1: 32.396% 32.17% 00.23% 235814082 1667764.00 { 7c2c }
Hand 2: 18.105% 17.31% 00.80% 126893996 5828456.50 { random }
Hand 3: 18.105% 17.31% 00.80% 126893996 5828456.50 { random }

Button and SB range are much stronger than "random" after CC the flop.

Did i make a mistake? Wrong thought process?
- Iīm ready to learn.
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