WTF huge overbet shove pre

[trambopoline]

25-50$, game just got heads up. Opponent is 28/15. No particular reads, he seems decent/normal.

Opponent limps button.
I raise to 225 with XX
Opponent shoves for $5200

What hand range are you calling here? BTW this isnt a hypothetical question, it just happened a few minutes ago. Just wondering what range others think is reasonable to call here.

[FoxwoodsFiend]

JJ+, AK seems about right.

[manub]

Same exact thing happened to me once in a 5/10 HU game that had just started. Since I was lucky enough to have AA at the time I called and he turned over AKs.

If Villain is decent I think he has [AK, TT+] and is giving you a "donk-test". I'd call only with AK, JJ+, but then again I'm a nit.

[PartyGirlUK]

How about this hand that actually happened?

you're playing a guy 25/50 HU and he seems pretty good, not tilting, no major pots recently. His sb/bn, he shoves for 5k.
Whatcha need here?

[EC10]

id say both answers is TT+ AKs

[buckyb88]

what about 200bb?

[BigBiceps]

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JJ+, AK seems about right.

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Why include JJ in the range? I doubt JJ is rarely better than a flip.

Seems QQ+, AK is better.

[buckyb88]

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Same exact thing happened to me once in a 5/10 HU game that had just started. Since I was lucky enough to have AA at the time I called and he turned over AKs.

If Villain is decent I think he has [AK, TT+] and is giving you a "donk-test". I'd call only with AK, JJ+, but then again I'm a nit.

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If you think he has AK, TT+, then why would you call with AK? You arent ahead of anything, so why not just call with JJ+?

[manub]

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If you think he has AK, TT+, then why would you call with AK? You arent ahead of anything, so why not just call with JJ+?

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We don't want to be ahead, we want to make a profitable call.

Assuming we have villain covered, we need to call $4975 to win a $10400 pot.

This means we need at least about 48% equity to make a profitable call.

If his range is [TT+, AKo, AKs] then it is actually profitable to call with [TT+, AKo, AKs, AQs] because of the money already in the pot. (Pokerstove gives us 48.7% equity).

Therefore, my initial calling requirements were indeed wrong, because they were too tight, not too loose.

The real problem is Villain's range. Is he has [QQ+ AK, AKs] then our call becomes very unprofitable and we need at least the same range to call.

[Jman28]

Preflop is easy. Put him on a range. Pokerstove it.

If he's shoving TT+ and AK, it's a call with QQ+ only. Change the frequencies of the pairs, AA/KK especially, and it gets more interesting.