Help me with an overpair vs semideepstacked LAG

solinar · #1 11-12-2007, 03:59 PM

Villain is 35/21/5.7 over 102 hands. My stats are taggy (19/15/3 ish)

Vs someone with a lower Aggression Factor, I would probably fold on the river(if not on the turn, but this guy is incredibly aggro for his VPIP, and I was a little lost. I guess a 3bet on the flop and fold to a raise or turn lead might be best.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($20.35)
BB ($7.25)
UTG ($3.15)
Hero ($19.15)
Button ($5.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.80) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.5, SB raises to $1.4, Hero calls $0.90.

Turn: ($3.60) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $3.6, Hero calls $3.60.

River: ($10.80) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $10.8, Hero calls $10.80.

Final Pot: $32.40

Milandro · #2 11-12-2007, 04:03 PM

raie turn or 3 bet flop. try to get it in on the turn...

cooker3 · #3 11-12-2007, 04:07 PM

Shove the turn

thoman8r · #4 11-12-2007, 04:13 PM

Aren't we a little too deep to be playing for stacks with just an overpair here? He said the guy was a LAG, not a maniac.

cooker3 · #5 11-12-2007, 04:21 PM

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Overpair crushes this guy range, look at his stats.

thoman8r · #6 11-12-2007, 04:27 PM

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Aren't we a little too deep to be playing for stacks with just an overpair here? He said the guy was a LAG, not a maniac.

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Overpair crushes this guy range, look at his stats.

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It doesn't crush his calling range, and since he's so aggro, aren't we better off letting him hang himself with one pair hands and air?

I think the only made hand we beat that he calls a turn push with is maybe AQ.

We shouldn't be too concerned with pricing out draws because we hold two of the K's.

cooker3 · #7 11-12-2007, 04:31 PM

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Aren't we a little too deep to be playing for stacks with just an overpair here? He said the guy was a LAG, not a maniac.

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Overpair crushes this guy range, look at his stats.

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It doesn't crush his calling range, and since he's so aggro, aren't we better off letting him hang himself with one pair hands and air?

I think the only made hand we beat that he calls a turn push with is maybe AQ.

We shouldn't be too concerned with pricing out draws because we hold two of the K's.

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He will call with far more then AQ that we beat. Loads of queens will call us.
As for waiting for the river before pushing, yeah I see merit to it.

thoman8r · #8 11-12-2007, 04:37 PM

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Aren't we a little too deep to be playing for stacks with just an overpair here? He said the guy was a LAG, not a maniac.

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Overpair crushes this guy range, look at his stats.

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It doesn't crush his calling range, and since he's so aggro, aren't we better off letting him hang himself with one pair hands and air?

I think the only made hand we beat that he calls a turn push with is maybe AQ.

We shouldn't be too concerned with pricing out draws because we hold two of the K's.

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He will call with far more then AQ that we beat. Loads of queens will call us.
As for waiting for the river before pushing, yeah I see merit to it.

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I'm not convinced Qx calls here. Our info on this guy indicates that he is aggro, meaning that he raises a lot, not that he necessarily calls off his stack light.

cooker3 · #9 11-12-2007, 04:53 PM

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Aren't we a little too deep to be playing for stacks with just an overpair here? He said the guy was a LAG, not a maniac.

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Overpair crushes this guy range, look at his stats.

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It doesn't crush his calling range, and since he's so aggro, aren't we better off letting him hang himself with one pair hands and air?

I think the only made hand we beat that he calls a turn push with is maybe AQ.

We shouldn't be too concerned with pricing out draws because we hold two of the K's.

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He will call with far more then AQ that we beat. Loads of queens will call us.
As for waiting for the river before pushing, yeah I see merit to it.

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I'm not convinced Qx calls here. Our info on this guy indicates that he is aggro, meaning that he raises a lot, not that he necessarily calls off his stack light.

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He is 35/21, he calls a lot pf and while the occasional good player can have those stats. I highly doubt someone at this level is good with those stats and good enough to fold tp

You're No Daisy · #10 11-12-2007, 05:03 PM

Raise more PF like 4xBB. Re-raise the flop and bomb the turn big time. It's quite possible villain has called PF with AQ-AJ, KQ-KJ, QJ-JT. Hell...he might even be raising with an OESD. With that aggression factor, he's certainly not folding after potting the turn. Go with your gut and your stats on villain.

As played, we have to assume villain has a piece of this board, or at the very least a draw. What have you noticed about his betting pattern? Does he bet the pot on all streets when he's in a hand? Finally, we need to be raising the turn. Typically, LAGs don't like to be played back at and he'll probably fold. If he shoves over the top of your raise, you have to give him credit for a hand and fold.

AC