What levels is coaching no longer worth while?

[sweeng8]

Hi,

Just wondering what the opinin is on the levels that coaching is most useful for. For example, it seems obvious that people who cant beat microstakes need coaching, but if you cant beat say 2/4 would coaching still be useful? By 2/4 most would have a solid grasp of poker book knowledge but obviously far from the finished poker player. At this level is there anything that can be taught by coaches or does it have to be improvement through making your own mistakes? Would about if your limit is 5/10, 10/20,etc. when does coaching become obsolete?

[scorer]

I know players who get coaches from small to high stakes. Getting different perspectives of your game and setting up your image and hand reading is part of what a coach can help you with etc. I also think it depends on your skill level and what you want to accomplish in poker. As an example, byrce is a high stakes HU specialist and does very very good in those high stakes games. If lets say a player who was a 50/100 player and is darn goood still can learn from byrce as he is learning from a better player.

[Praetor]

coaching is never obsolete

[xSCWx]

If anything coaching would be closer to obsolete in the microstakes than it would at mid-high. At microstakes players presumably have a smaller bankroll, and the vast majority of knowledge they lack can be attained from books or websites like this one. In either circumstance a coach could be very useful.

[Joe Tall]

Tiger Woods has a golf coach.

[Dmunnee]

over/under on how many times JoeTall has said this? I'm going with a million. Also, his point is great.

[danzasmack]

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even michael jordan had a coach. even leonardo had a master splinter.

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[TheDna]

I would get a coach when i cant beat the limit i play anymore. Say you play 200k hands nlh2/4 and 3/6 and get results around 5-8ptbb but you just simply cant make the jump to 5/10 cause you get beat up badly every time you try or at least dont get very good results. Thats imo a good point to get a coach, i would heavily cosider how much you earn and have to spend for a coach too.

[danzasmack]

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If anything coaching would be closer to obsolete in the microstakes than it would at mid-high. At microstakes players presumably have a smaller bankroll, and the vast majority of knowledge they lack can be attained from books or websites like this one. In either circumstance a coach could be very useful.

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The argument for micro stakes coaching is the opportunity cost of rising in limits. (If coaching is $200/hour but the 10 hours of coaching i pay for means 2 more months at 30/60 instead of 15/30 @ the same winrate then i should get coaching. At smaller stakes this difference is larger IMO.)

I have seen students who were playing 10 tables of 1/2 nl for 6 months shoot up to 6-8 tabling 3/6 and 5/10 nl within 2 months. Who knows if they EVER would have gotten there without coaching.

And they still get coached.

It's not only about learning to play - it's learning you're not alone out there. It's taking the game more seriously. It's trying harder to win. It just changes your mindset.

[Joe Tall]

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Tiger Woods has a golf coach.

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over/under on how many times JoeTall has said this? I'm going with a million. Also, his point is great.

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Full credit on the Tiger comment goes to Tommy Angelo, I just modified it. the other thing to consider it that Tiger Woods' coach has never won a major. Or at least I think he hasn't, I don't even know his name, does anyone? But I do know Tiger works with his coach constantly, year after year. The top player in the game of golf, has a coach.

So, now I guess I'll just sit back and wait for Stoxtrader and The Bryce to PM me.... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]