100plo - when wraps go bad

[Elrazor]

OK this might seem straighforward, but for some reason im running really bad this month and i need some help with my play - comments on all streets appreciated

Effective stacks $75, villan here is a fairly solid player 35/8/2.08, im a slightly tighter player but more agressive post flop

i suppose my main question is do you follow through on the turn??

Cryptologic
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $6</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($25, 4 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $25</font>, MP3 folds, SB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($75, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $59</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $59 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $75

[Bavid Denyamine]

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i suppose my main question is do you follow through on the turn??

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Nope, even if the river was, say, an 8 of hearts, I'd probably just check behind and get a free showdown if I could. I don't think there's enough value to be guessing whether or not you'd be good, so I'd just c/f the hand.

[iron81]

You have to bet that turn. Villain has a draw, Q-4 or just a Q here a lot. A bet will take it down from any of these. You might even get a fold from 4-4. 80% of the time when I bet a flop and then the board pairs, a turn bet will take it down.

[donkeykong2]

i think you played it fine. i dont think following through on the turn is a good idea because q9 is a likely holding for him after the flop and if not you can still draw out on him.
also he s not that likely to have basicly the same hand or a similar one to yours as you hold blockers in your hand.

[Elrazor]

i really cant see a guy potting from the SB pre flop who only raises 8% of the time having any Q4 combination

my thinking here is that if hes calling a pot bet from a guy in mid position for $25, with a total of 6 players in the pot, hes not folding for $40 more on the turn - he has to have a genuine holding here

obviously if he has a similar hand to me with a Q/higher pair/9 hes going to take the pot on the river when neither of us improve if all the money goes in on the turn

[donkeykong2]

i could imagine betting third/half pot on the turn to be good here if he ll lay down a draw or a single q hand.

[Bavid Denyamine]

You guys are crazy.

[Elrazor]

problem with that is i have $40 back, 1/3 is $25, so if i bet its got to be all in.

Also how does Villan know i havent made the boat already?? my standard play alot of the time is to check these types of situations where im holding the nuts to try and induce either a bluff or a value call on the river

[piiop]

WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD?

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even if the river was, say, an 8 of hearts, I'd probably just check behind and get a free showdown if I could. I don't think there's enough value to be guessing whether or not you'd be good, so I'd just c/f the hand.


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huh?

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Villain has a draw, Q-4 or just a Q here a lot. A bet will take it down from any of these. You might even get a fold from 4-4.

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what??

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because q9 is a likely holding for him after the flop

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rly?

honestly, i must be misreading something or you guys are just insane.

[PLOlover]

I think everyone agrees you have to bet the turn here sometimes.

If you're deep a lot of times 1/2 pot it is enough, here if you're not deep just pot and pray.

in the absence of any reads/notes, I usually bet here about 1/5-1/3 of the time, but that may just be my style or the types or games I play in.