25NL: bottom 2pair at loose table

RapidEvolution · #1 10-07-2007, 01:53 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($24.50)
MP2 ($15.25)
CO ($18.35)
Button ($10.85)
SB ($4.50)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($14.45)
UTG+1 ($46.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $0.75, UTG raises to $1.5, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $5, UTG raises to $8.5, Hero raises to $29, UTG calls $5.70 (All-In).

Turn: ($29.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($29.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $29.50

I've been at the table for an orbit and it seems really loose-aggressive with people showing TPWK and the like. Is this a good spot to get in?

vizer02 · #2 10-07-2007, 02:08 PM

Without even seeing the turn card, I was thinking you should've just called his initial reraise on the flop. I hate getting it in with bottom 2 in a limped pot (especially on the flop) from the blinds, although with your description of the play maybe this is ok. Now that I saw the turn was a K, your hand is not very good anymore and you should pitch it to some heat.

RapidEvolution · #3 10-07-2007, 02:14 PM

Of course, if I'd just called, I would've been gone after the turn card. lol My impression was that villain would raise here with AK, KQ, AJ and the like...especially given the action I'd seen. I guess if his stack was bigger I woulda played slower. :/

ship_it_trebek · #4 10-07-2007, 02:32 PM

Looks fine against this stack size. I don't see much merit in calling the minraise on the flop and getting it in on the turn, especially with the reads he has provided. I'd laugh if he limped with AA and turned you...although regardless that turn kills you against a large portion of his range.

RapidEvolution · #5 10-07-2007, 02:40 PM

There's a typo in the OP...it should read "with people SHOVING TPWK" not showing. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

superkmac72 · #6 10-07-2007, 03:13 PM

I dont think shoving in is a bad move here, because he didnt raise pre flop he almost certainly doesnt have the trips unless he has the last two sevens. The most likely hand u are behind to here is KJ. I think i probably would have called because there are few hands u are beating that would warrant that play but based on ur description of the tables play, pushing in was certainly not a horrible maneuver

Johnes Benjamin · #7 10-07-2007, 03:15 PM

standard, go ahead and get it in here. Turn sucks, but I don't like to give him chances to rethink his hand here.

Ironic · #8 10-07-2007, 03:24 PM

What are the villain's stats? It's probably a good play but be careful to distinguish between loose aggressive and loose passive. If you have seen villains re-raising with TPWK then I like your play. If you have just seen villains acting as big calling stations with TPWK then it is not a good play to shove it all in.

thehempy · #9 10-07-2007, 03:27 PM

with the read given, I think this is pretty standard. sucky turn card tho.