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#1
11-29-2007, 01:54 PM
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50/100 4 handed
I just doubled up the hand b4. Villain has 10k, I cover
Villain is Owre(23/19/2.3- riv aggression of 3.2) and he and I have a little history with which he has gotten the better of me mostly (3betting me a lot and me folding) villain raises utg to 400, I call in BB with qsjs. flop kcqd8c, he bets 700, I raise to 2200, he calls. turn 6h check check river 2d, I check he shoves 8k into 5k pot, what is this? 
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#2
11-29-2007, 01:59 PM
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Re: 50/100 4 handed
why did you c/r the flop?
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#3
11-29-2007, 02:04 PM
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Re: 50/100 4 handed
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why did you c/r the flop? [/ QUOTE ] I knew this would come up, made a mistake, thought it was the best hand, scared of so many turn cards. Also, figured if I check call on this drawy board it gives away that I only have a mediocre hand and Owre is aggressive enough to push me off of it with his entire range. Also, value of 2nd pair goes up in 4 handed game I figured.
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#4
11-29-2007, 02:06 PM
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Re: 50/100 4 handed
If he's dumb, snapcall bc 1000 draws missed. If he's pretty smart, probably fold bc 1000 draws missed.
If he's really smart it just depends on how he reads you and how he thinks you'd interpret the bet.
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#7
11-29-2007, 02:21 PM
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Re: 50/100 4 handed
also, villain was very active in the chat box, once I called time. Originally saying just fold a few times, then saying how someone else at the table would make the call, and then typing in call a bunch of times and finally a plz call.
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#8
11-29-2007, 02:20 PM
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Re: 50/100 4 handed
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Against a random I snapcall this. What hand is he shoving for value on the river that wouldn't bet the turn? He can't really have 22 here. [/ QUOTE ] very easy to shove river but not shove turn. on turn you are afraid of a trap. once he checks river also you dont think hes good enough to trap twice so you value bet. and, op, i kinda understood all those reasons but i just dont think they are enough to make it a good move. i would c/c. if he's aggro enough to try to bluff you off your hand, just keep calling on later streets. i think you'll make more money that way than by check/raising the flop. usually, of course. sometimes, i might c/r the flop, but then i definitely wouldn't become lost once he calls it...
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#9
11-29-2007, 03:26 PM
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Re: 50/100 4 handed
although the answer depends very much on the flow of the match, i strongly lean towards a fold. villain could be overbetting pot since from his perspective you have played this hand like you either have air or a strong enough hand to call a big bet. therefore, if villain has any kind of good hand then it is higher ev to overbet here. of course villain could be thinking one level deeper in which case this is a call. since you don't have extensive history and since the likelihood of someone thinking at a deeper level goes down, it seems more likely that villain has a hand.
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