Caesar's $1500: Help, I'm Addicted to Suited Connectors

[Todd Terry]

Caesar's $1500+70, 3rd level, 50/100, starting stack 3500, I'm in the BB, I have 2650 after posting. UTG+1 limps, UTG+2 limps, MP2 raises to 300, CO calls, I look down at 65hh. UTG+1 probably doesn't know what a limp/reraise is. MP2 has made a serious of erratic-sized raises which appear to have no correlation to his hand strength, not sure if he even knows that raising to 300 with 2 limpers is an incredibly small raise, he has a big stack having been hit with the deck repeatedly -- middle-aged Eastern European guy. I call, figuring I'm getting 6.5:1 since the 2 limpers will call behind. They do.

Flop: 8 4 3 rainbow, no hearts. There's 1550 in the pot, I now have 2450. Hero?

[registrar]

How does OR play flops?

What are their stacks?

[Todd Terry]

OR has a very big stack, as I said, probably 7-8K. UTG+2, the second limper, also has a big stack, probably 6-7K. The other 2 have around starting stacks of 3500, I believe -- I'm certain no one is short. OR has generally made c-bets of varying sizes in relation to the pot after raising, but those were 2-way pots. In position, he played a set by calling the flop and raising the turn. There haven't been any hands with a raised pot and this many players in, so I have no idea how OR will play here. And, as I said, his bet sizing has been very erratic -- you'd be able to predict the size of one of my c-bets here within 100 chips, with him, I have no idea.

[WarDekar]

This is kind of a [censored] spot because you don't have any FE with anything but leading out, so you probably should lead out with whatever size you think gives you the most FE. I have no idea with these players what that is, but it's not checking through and check/calling sucks because of no FE, so bet?

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This is kind of a [censored] spot because you don't have any FE with anything but leading out, so you probably should lead out with whatever size you think gives you the most FE. I have no idea with these players what that is, but it's not checking through and check/calling sucks because of no FE, so bet?

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Given description of other players I pretty much agree with this. Bad players see pushing all in as a sign of strength often, so its probably your best bet. Be prepared to get called light by OR, though. If you really do not want to get your stack in on this flop then you should fold PF IMO, since this is one of the better flops for you.

I have mixed feelings about the PF call in general, but if you think you are that much better than the other players at the table, you should probably fold and save your chips for when someone else is looking to do something stupid when you have a stronger hand then they do.

[mosch]

A serious question for you: what were you hoping for when you called?

You already knew the action would be multi-way, and which players would be involved. What did you want to flop? (aside from a miracle)

That said, my flop action probably depends on how much time is left in the level. You're short-stacked, and need to get some chips. If 1/2 is coming soon, [censored] discretion, just push and see if you pull the pot or suck out. If 1/2 is still 50 minutes away, there are likely better places for me to pick up pots. (Places that don't involve pushing a short-stack into 4 players, on a board where a lot of people would do that with a huge range.)

[adanthar]

4 other people in, right? just CR AI unless his cbet's tiny

[WarDekar]

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4 other people in, right? just CR AI unless his cbet's tiny

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We'd have like no FE that way any c-bet is building the pot enough to where they can't reasonably fold.

[Hattifnatt]

fold or push pre, now bet ~1200 and call a push or push any turn yourself if called. just pushing the flop is fine too but I think betting 1200 shows more strength.

[Mench]

dont call preflop