Can someone explain?

rabbitlover · #1 11-05-2007, 04:55 PM

I have these situations that happen to me constantly to take me out of tournaments. For the life of me I do not know how to deal with players who will call any PF raise with any two cards and then PUSH on a flop they are only 38%.

It happens to me so often I am getting paranoid that either I don't play these situations right or the whole damn thing really is rigged.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) TightPoker converter

UTG+1 (t1850)
MP1 (t3745)
MP2 (t4380)
Hero (t4110)
CO (t8416)
Button (t5075)
SB (t5611)
BB (t3248)
UTG (t4075)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, Hero raises to t650, 2 folds, SB calls t625, BB calls t600, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t600.

Flop: (t2650) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets t4961 (All-In), BB folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls t3460 (All-In).

Turn: (t11071) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t11071) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t11071

Results hidden below: 
SB has 4c 3c (straight, seven high).
Hero has Ks Ah (high card, ace).
Outcome: SB wins t11071. 

Hope some of the more experienced here will respond; and don't just tell me about bad beats. I am consistantly being bad beat by bad players.

quirkasaurus · #2 11-05-2007, 04:58 PM

here's the explaination...

the dude put you AK, AQ, AJ, etc...

after the flop, he was hoping to bluff you
off your hand by "representing" trips,
the nuts flush draw, or TPTK or even JJ,
QQ, etc...

he wasn't hoping for a call,
much less to win the hand after you did.

PantsOnFire · #3 11-05-2007, 05:04 PM

Everyone has a lot of chips for the blind level. Is this a $3 rebuy on Pokerstars?

If that is the case, then these clowns are trying desparately to double up. Your preflop raise is a massive overbet. Next time, raise to $250 and fold to that flop bet.

Maybe you can't give up a hand like AK. I don't know. But when I venture into these tourneys, I play lots of cheap flops and look to double up myself. I'll even call with JJ because I know that a raise will get no respect.

I do like raising with AK though. If you don't hit, just fold. Guys playing like this will give you no fold equity so either check and hope for a free card or fold and move on. When you do hit a hand, you will likely double up so that makes it easier to contiually see a flop and then fold because sooner or later you will hit and somebody will go all-in.

latvian7 · #4 11-05-2007, 05:06 PM

most people are clueless what to do out of position, but im really amazed by his play, im assuming this is some kinda freeroll or 0,10$ tournament or you got really really lucky with your table.Haven't seen this kinda plays even in rebuys.

Tackleberry · #5 11-05-2007, 05:06 PM

I simply don´t understand YOUR play here.

1) Why do you make it 650 preflop? This is much too high ...

2) SB pushes into three opponents. The board is rather dry (besides the two hearts). What the hell was your motivation to call him with just A high (and a backdoor flushdraw)?! You must have had special reads to do this ...

Sharkzilla1 · #6 11-05-2007, 05:12 PM

Idk how you call that flop shove ever, you were okay this time but I have no idea how this call can be profitable long time.

rabbitlover · #7 11-05-2007, 05:16 PM

$55 no re-buy

rabbitlover · #8 11-05-2007, 05:18 PM

[ QUOTE ]
here's the explaination...

the dude put you AK, AQ, AJ, etc...

after the flop, he was hoping to bluff you
off your hand by "representing" trips,
the nuts flush draw, or TPTK or even JJ,
QQ, etc...

he wasn't hoping for a call,
much less to win the hand after you did.

[/ QUOTE ]

I take it then that is a std. PF call for YOU with 4-3s?

ssnyc · #9 11-05-2007, 05:22 PM

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I have these situations that happen to me constantly to take me out of tournaments. For the life of me I do not know how to deal with players who will call any PF raise with any two cards and then PUSH on a flop they are only 38%.

It happens to me so often I am getting paranoid that either I don't play these situations right or the whole damn thing really is rigged.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) TightPoker converter

UTG+1 (t1850)
MP1 (t3745)
MP2 (t4380)
Hero (t4110)
CO (t8416)
Button (t5075)
SB (t5611)
BB (t3248)
UTG (t4075)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, Hero raises to t650, 2 folds, SB calls t625, BB calls t600, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t600.

Flop: (t2650) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets t4961 (All-In), BB folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls t3460 (All-In).

Turn: (t11071) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t11071) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t11071

Results hidden below: 
SB has 4c 3c (straight, seven high).
Hero has Ks Ah (high card, ace).
Outcome: SB wins t11071. 

Hope some of the more experienced here will respond; and don't just tell me about bad beats. I am consistantly being bad beat by bad players.

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you raised it what preflop?????? Why? For the love of god why???? And then you called the all in for how much???????? Who cares what he had...you played it badly and would have lost to a huge range of hands

rabbitlover · #10 11-05-2007, 05:23 PM

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I simply don´t understand YOUR play here.

1) Why do you make it 650 preflop? This is much too high ...

2) SB pushes into three opponents. The board is rather dry (besides the two hearts). What the hell was your motivation to call him with just A high (and a backdoor flushdraw)?! You must have had special reads to do this ...

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I did, he pushed with nothing twice before against different opponents, loses one, then cracks AA on the other to regain chips. So yes, I had a read and was fairly sure I was ahead.